tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4793384866525609075.post7847916573944293601..comments2023-12-29T00:19:54.130-08:00Comments on Liberated: Happy New YearLiberated Onehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/12033054482768383889noreply@blogger.comBlogger197125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4793384866525609075.post-42399790653950263532012-01-02T15:08:58.364-08:002012-01-02T15:08:58.364-08:00[continued from above]
Syed Abul Ala Maududi (di...[continued from above] <br /><br /><a href="http://www.onlineislamicstore.com/syedabalamau.html" rel="nofollow">Syed Abul Ala Maududi</a> (died 1979), another famous Qur'an expositor, <a href="http://www.englishtafsir.com/Quran/65/index.html#sdfootnote13sym" rel="nofollow">says of Qur’an 65:4</a>:<i> “Here, one should bear in mind the fact that according to the explanations given in the Quran the question of the waiting period arises in respect of the women with whom marriage may have been consummated, for there is no waiting-period in case divorce is pronounced before the consummation of marriage. (Al-Ahzab: 49). Therefore, making mention of the waiting-period for the girls who have not yet menstruated, clearly proves that it is not only permissible to give away the girl in marriage at this age but it is also permissible for the husband to consummate marriage with her. Now, obviously no Muslim has the right to forbid a thing which the Quran has held as permissible.</i><br /><br />So major Muslim expositors of the Quran agree that Quran 65:4 assumes and supports consummation of marriage with prepubescent girls. These expositors know what Maududi above mentions<b>:</b> per <b><a href="http://www.islamawakened.com/Quran/33/49/default.htm" rel="nofollow">Quran 33:49</a></b>, a waiting period before remarriage is only required if the dissolved marriage was consummated. <br /> <br />And many Muslim translations of 65:4 make absolutely clear that it refers to remarriage of prepubescent girls. (See for example these translations: Al-Muntakahb, Abdel Haleem, Abdul Majid Daryabadi, Aisha Bewley, Ali Quli Qara'i, Muhammad Mahmoud Ghali, Muhammad Taqi Usmani.)Traehhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09997009621742454158noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4793384866525609075.post-9040586402723287042012-01-02T15:07:59.117-08:002012-01-02T15:07:59.117-08:00[continued from above]
65:4, according to Wahidi&...[continued from above]<br /><br /><a href="http://www.altafsir.com/Tafasir.asp?tMadhNo=0&tTafsirNo=86&tSoraNo=65&tAyahNo=4&tDisplay=yes&UserProfile=0&LanguageId=2" rel="nofollow">65:4, according to Wahidi's respected explanation of the Qur'an:</a><br /><br /><i> “(And for such of your women as despair of menstruation…) [65:4]. Said Muqatil: “When the verse (Women who are divorced shall wait, keeping themselves apart…), Kallad ibn al-Nu‘man ibn Qays al-Ansari said:<b> ‘O Messenger of Allah, what is the waiting period of</b> the woman who does not menstruate and <b>the woman who has not menstruated yet?</b> And what is the waiting period of the pregnant woman?’ And so Allah, exalted is He, revealed this verse”. Abu Ishaq al-Muqri’ informed us> Muhammad ibn ‘Abd Allah ibn Hamdun> Makki ibn ‘Abdan> Abu’l-Azhar> Asbat ibn Muhammad> Mutarrif> Abu ‘Uthman ‘Amr ibn Salim who said: “When the waiting period for divorced and widowed women was mentioned in Surah al-Baqarah, Ubayy ibn Ka‘b said: ‘O Messenger of Allah, some women of Medina are saying: there are other women who have not been mentioned!’ He asked him: ‘And who are they?’ He said: ‘Those who are too young [such that they have not started menstruating yet], those who are too old [whose menstruation has stopped] and those who are pregnant’. And so this verse (And for such of your women as despair of menstruation…) was revealed”.</i><br /><br />The bracketed text is not me, it's in the Wahidi at <a href="http://www.altafsir.com" rel="nofollow">Altafsir.com</a><br /><br />Ibn Kathir is perhaps <a href="http://www.turntoislam.com/forum/showthread.php?p=461073" rel="nofollow">the Muslim world's most respected Quran expositor.</a> <br /><br /><a href="http://www.qtafsir.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=1316&Itemid=121" rel="nofollow">Kathir says of 65:4</a> <i> “Allah the Exalted clarifies the waiting period of the woman in menopause. And that is the one whose menstruation has stopped due to her older age. Her `Iddah </i>[waiting period before remarriage]<i> is three months instead of the three monthly cycles for those who menstruate, which is based upon the Ayah </i>[verse]<i> in (Surat) Al-Baqarah. (see Qur'an 2:228) <b>The same for the young, who have not reached the years of menstruation. Their `Iddah </b></i>[waiting period before remarriage]<i> is three months like those in menopause. This is the meaning of His </i>[Allah's]<i> saying;</i>[Qur'an 65:4]<i> (and for those who have no courses...)”</i><br /><br />[continued below]Traehhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09997009621742454158noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4793384866525609075.post-42408136907996365912012-01-02T15:06:20.532-08:002012-01-02T15:06:20.532-08:00Islamic scholars' explanations of Qur'an 6...<b>Islamic scholars' explanations of Qur'an 65:4 show that the verse assumes consummation of marriage with prepubescent girls</b><br /><br />Before quoting the scholars on Quran 65:4, it should be noted that <b><a href="http://www.islamawakened.com/Quran/33/49/default.htm" rel="nofollow">Quran 33:49</a></b> lays down that when a divorced female is to marry a new spouse, a waiting period is required only if the previous marriage was consummated. The scholars I will be quoting below all know this. One of them, Maududi, mentions and explains it.<br /><br />With that in mind, first consider Ibn Abbas, a companion of Muhammad, and one of many authorities who affirm that <b><a href="http://www.islamawakened.com/Quran/65/4/default.htm" rel="nofollow">Qur'an 65:4</a></b> refers to the <i>waiting period for prepubescent girls to remarry</i> after divorce. <br /><br /><a href="http://www.altafsir.com/Tafasir.asp?tMadhNo=0&tTafsirNo=73&tSoraNo=65&tAyahNo=4&tDisplay=yes&UserProfile=0&LanguageId=2" rel="nofollow">Ibn Abbas on Qur'an 65:4</a><br /><i> “(And for such of your women as despair of menstruation) because of old age, (if ye doubt) about their waiting period, (their period (of waiting) shall be three months) upon which another man asked:<b> “O Messenger of Allah! What about the waiting period of those who do not have menstruation because they are too young?” (along with those who have it not) because of young age, their waiting period is three months. </b>Another man asked: “what is the waiting period for those women who are pregnant?” (And for those with child) i.e. those who are pregnant, (their period) their waiting period (shall be till they bring forth their burden) their child. (And whosoever keepeth his duty to Allah) and whoever fears Allah regarding what he commands him, (He maketh his course easy for him) He makes his matter easy; and it is also said this means: He will help him to worship Him well.”</i><br /><br />Some eight hundred years later appeared the Tafsir al-Jalalayn, one of the most widely used interpretations of the Qur'an. <a href="http://www.altafsir.com/Tafasir.asp?tMadhNo=0&tTafsirNo=74&tSoraNo=65&tAyahNo=4&tDisplay=yes&UserProfile=0&LanguageId=2" rel="nofollow">Tafsir al-Jalalayn also tells us that Qur'an 65:4 speaks of waiting period for divorce of prepubescent girls:</a><br /><br /><i> “And [as for] those of your women who (read allā’ī or allā’i in both instances) no longer expect to menstruate, if you have any doubts, about their waiting period, their prescribed [waiting] period shall be three months, <b>and [also for] those who have not yet menstruated, because of their young age, their period shall [also] be three months</b> — both cases apply to other than those whose spouses have died; for these [latter] their period is prescribed in the verse: they shall wait by themselves for four months and ten [days] [Q. 2:234]. And those who are pregnant, their term, the conclusion of their prescribed [waiting] period if divorced or if their spouses be dead, shall be when they deliver. And whoever fears God, He will make matters ease for him, in this world and in the Hereafter.”</i><br /><br />[comment continued below]Traehhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09997009621742454158noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4793384866525609075.post-68962993936765058512012-01-02T15:01:46.095-08:002012-01-02T15:01:46.095-08:00skouti, enjoy pushing your HATE :)
Had Aisha reac...skouti, enjoy pushing your HATE :)<br /><br /><b>Had Aisha reached puberty at age 9 when Muhammad, in his fifties, consummated the marriage with her? No, she had not: according to core Islamic texts, 1) her dolls were with her and 2) dolls are only permitted to prepubescent children</b><br /><br />From Sahih Muslim, a canonical hadith collection: <br /><br /><a href="http://www.cmje.org/religious-texts/hadith/muslim/008-smt.php#008.3311" rel="nofollow">Book 008, Number 3311:</a><br /><br /><i> “A'isha (Allah be pleased with her) reported that Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him) married her when she was seven years old, and she was taken to his house as a bride when she was nine, <b>and her dolls were with her;</b> and when he (the Holy Prophet) died she was eighteen years old.”</i><br /><br /><b>In the next hadith, we learn that playing with dolls is only permitted for prepubescent children</b><br /><br />From Sahih al-Bukhari, a canonical hadith collection:<br /><br /><a href="http://www.cmje.org/religious-texts/hadith/bukhari/073-sbt.php#008.073.151" rel="nofollow">Volume 8, Book 73, Number 151:</a><br /><br /><i> Narrated Aisha:</i><i> “I used to play with the dolls in the presence of the Prophet, and my girl friends also used to play with me. When Allah's Apostle used to enter (my dwelling place) they used to hide themselves, but the Prophet would call them to join and play with me.” (The playing with the dolls and similar images is forbidden, but it was allowed for 'Aisha at that time, as she was a little girl, not yet reached the age of puberty.) (Fateh-al-Bari page 143, Vol.13)</i><br /><br />(The parenthetical statement is not mine -- it's in University of Southern California's Sahih al-Bukhari online, as you can see by clicking on the link above.)<br /><br />And then of course there is the increasingly infamous Qur'an verse 65:4 that specifies a waiting period for prepubescent and post-menopausal females to remarry after being divorced. There is <i>no</i> waiting period if the marriage was not consummated (See <a href="http://www.islamawakened.com/Quran/33/49/default.htm" rel="nofollow">Quran 33:49</a>). Thus Qur'an 65:4 assumes consummation with prepubescent girls. <br /><br /><a href="http://www.islamawakened.com/Quran/65/4/default.htm" rel="nofollow">Qur'an Chapter 65, Verse 4:</a><br /><br /><i> “And (as for) those of your women who have despaired of menstruation, if you have a doubt, their prescribed time shall be three months, <b>and of those too who have not had their courses;</b> and (as for) the pregnant women, their prescribed time is that they lay down their burden; and whoever is careful of (his duty to) Allah He will make easy for him his affair.” </i>Traehhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09997009621742454158noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4793384866525609075.post-71309242371625850132012-01-02T14:55:58.046-08:002012-01-02T14:55:58.046-08:00skouti, stay classy as a HATER
Enjoy :)
Canonica...skouti, stay classy as a HATER<br /><br />Enjoy :)<br /><br /><b>Canonical hadiths say Muhammad (in his fifties) consummated his marriage to Aisha when she was nine (lunar) years old.</b> <br /><br />A lunar year is about 355 days long, which means that Aisha may have been several months short of her ninth birthday.<br /><br />Some examples from Bukhari, the most canonical hadith collection:<br /><br /><a href="http://www.cmje.org/religious-texts/hadith/bukhari/062-sbt.php#007.062.064" rel="nofollow">Sahih al-Bukhari, Volume 7, Book 62, Number 64:</a><br /><br /><i>Narrated Aisha:</i><br /><br /><i>”that the Prophet married her when she was six years old and he consummated his marriage when she was nine years old, and then she remained with him for nine years (i.e., till his death).”<br /></i><br />-------------------------------------------------<br /><br /><a href="http://www.cmje.org/religious-texts/hadith/bukhari/062-sbt.php#007.062.065" rel="nofollow">Sahih al-Bukhari, Volume 7, Book 62, Number 65:</a><br /><i><br />Narrated Aisha:</i><br /><br /><i> “that the Prophet married her when she was six years old and he consummated his marriage when she was nine years old. Hisham said: I have been informed that Aisha remained with the Prophet for nine years (i.e. till his death)." </i> <br /><br />-------------------------------------------------<br /><br /><a href="http://www.cmje.org/religious-texts/hadith/bukhari/062-sbt.php#007.062.088" rel="nofollow">Sahih al-Bukhari, Volume 7, Book 62, Number 88:<br /></a><br /><i>Narrated Ursa:</i><br /><br /><i> “The Prophet wrote the (marriage contract) with 'Aisha while she was six years old and consummated his marriage with her while she was nine years old and she remained with him for nine years (i.e. till his death).” </i><br /><br />-------------------------------------------------<br /><br /><a href="http://www.cmje.org/religious-texts/hadith/bukhari/058-sbt.php#005.058.236" rel="nofollow">Sahih al-Bukhari, Volume 5, Book 58, Number 236:<br /></a><br /><i>Narrated Hisham's father:</i><br /><br /><i> “Khadija died three years before the Prophet departed to Medina. He stayed there for two years or so and then he married 'Aisha when she was a girl of six years of age, and he consumed that marriage when she was nine years old.” <br /></i>Traehhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09997009621742454158noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4793384866525609075.post-66956855807481586992012-01-02T10:51:42.052-08:002012-01-02T10:51:42.052-08:00Better form that committee quick traitor skouti, y...Better form that committee quick traitor skouti, your last attempt is no improvement on your prior embarrassment.Stevehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14414632528266336216noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4793384866525609075.post-70669288382225103332012-01-02T10:48:52.166-08:002012-01-02T10:48:52.166-08:00"Really? I can see you got hundreds of suppor..."Really? I can see you got hundreds of supporters there."<br /><br />No need sunshine when we are up against you two brightest bulbs. Holy shit are you the best of the Islam hating bunch......am quaking in fear, BWAHAHAHAHAHAAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4793384866525609075.post-51772909531792882772012-01-02T10:45:55.517-08:002012-01-02T10:45:55.517-08:00Actually traitor skouti, while very few moslems do...Actually traitor skouti, while very few moslems do live better, the vast majority live in shithole slums, so the burn, as you say, is not even one calorie strong. It seems you’ll have to form a committee of your inbred brethren in order to achieve a witty repartee above the pathetic performance you’ve displayed so far.Stevehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14414632528266336216noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4793384866525609075.post-49059580558371800062012-01-02T10:40:53.429-08:002012-01-02T10:40:53.429-08:00skouti - "look there are two"
Really? I...skouti - "look there are two"<br /><br />Really? I can see you got hundreds of supporters there. LOL.<br /><br />Seriously speaking, Steve is right, you are a time waster with no inputs and originality. <br /><br />Good luck with your head banging. Just curious, do you have that ugly looking big boil in the middle of your forehead? ... man O man... Islam is for the desperate bums. I need to go and peel grapes for my doll. She is calling..Dar-schanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16701054144454418464noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4793384866525609075.post-14077953348882017572012-01-02T10:37:33.139-08:002012-01-02T10:37:33.139-08:00oh it hurts, stop it you FOOL :)
Actually it does...oh it hurts, stop it you FOOL :)<br /><br />Actually it does burn these Crackers to know that muslims can come to their countries and live better lives than them, while they have to work their ass's off for sweet FA :) :) :)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4793384866525609075.post-73564966052296340382012-01-02T10:33:12.343-08:002012-01-02T10:33:12.343-08:00The traitor skouti is a hypocrite, Dar, and will n...The traitor skouti is a hypocrite, Dar, and will never live his life in the Islamic Hellhole of Pakistan. No, he prefers a kuffar community where his moral and intellectual betters have provided him with a cushy life.Stevehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14414632528266336216noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4793384866525609075.post-88760159376437792062012-01-02T10:29:44.654-08:002012-01-02T10:29:44.654-08:00"he needs a life."
Irony anyone ? No se..."he needs a life."<br /><br />Irony anyone ? No seriously, by definiton the Islam Hating mob have no where else to go apart from the internet. They are not mainstream and as I stated previously they are a vocal minority (look there are two of the brightest bulbs in dar schan and exz-altar boy steve). Oh I am in deep trouble when these two bloodclots get going :)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4793384866525609075.post-34191949374897798782012-01-02T10:29:31.803-08:002012-01-02T10:29:31.803-08:00I came to a conclusion the liberator and skouti sh...I came to a conclusion the liberator and skouti should swap their countries. Problem will be solved. We will treat the liberator with respect and dignity. Skouti can take his first cousin child bride to the Islamic paradise.Dar-schanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16701054144454418464noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4793384866525609075.post-14982504764944880242012-01-02T10:25:42.374-08:002012-01-02T10:25:42.374-08:00You forget about his compromised intellect, Dar. T...You forget about his compromised intellect, Dar. Too much inbreeding has robbed him of the mental capacity that would allow him to understand the simplest concepts, like revering his Arab conqueror, the child molesting Muhammad, and betraying his own Indian culture and heritage. He’s too stupid, evne, to understand he’s a traitor to his own race.Stevehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14414632528266336216noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4793384866525609075.post-19620704674210358102012-01-02T10:16:53.975-08:002012-01-02T10:16:53.975-08:00Steve - from what I can judge, he has a limited li...Steve - from what I can judge, he has a limited life and that is enforced by a bunch of head bangers preaching allah this and allha that the whole day along. He never really thought of living outside the perimeters. I think our interaction may make him think laterally.... there is a chance that it will click and he might think, God, this is all crap, he needs a life.<br /><br />He lives in the West. He can do a lot with his life and contribute to better our society. He only needs to think if he was living back in Pakistan, what will he give to have a small chance to live in the West? He should talk to the people who risk everything to get a chance to live in the West. More than 80% of them come from the Islamic lands.Dar-schanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16701054144454418464noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4793384866525609075.post-25388130069972760032012-01-02T10:11:10.348-08:002012-01-02T10:11:10.348-08:00now now dar-schan, don't beat yourself up too ...now now dar-schan, don't beat yourself up too much just because you didn't get a "thank you" from the fake blogger........rejected you already blud.....heheheheAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4793384866525609075.post-36220690547319689352012-01-02T10:03:43.517-08:002012-01-02T10:03:43.517-08:00"Don't be shy skouti... come on board&quo..."Don't be shy skouti... come on board"<br /><br />What, and lose those Islamic perks like child molestation. Never! Since the moslem refuses to condmen suchs acts, by his continued silence, he reveals himself only too well.Stevehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14414632528266336216noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4793384866525609075.post-9595917972707524492012-01-02T10:01:06.977-08:002012-01-02T10:01:06.977-08:00skouti - "I hate to break it to you, you stil...skouti - "I hate to break it to you, you still won't get a look in.....shame " --- LOL ... that cracked me up!!!<br /><br />Go back to your child cousin wife. She probably thinks you are cool.... LOLDar-schanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16701054144454418464noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4793384866525609075.post-45528601758777446902012-01-02T09:55:04.400-08:002012-01-02T09:55:04.400-08:00skouti - Here you have it ..
Greenforest to the l...skouti - Here you have it ..<br /><br />Greenforest to the liberator after he was satisfied with the answers : "Please accept my apology. I believe my addressing this issue was for the better. You have my support. "<br /><br />This is how we treat women with respect. She and other Moslum women know enough about Muslim men - they are lining up to take the next train.... ha ha ha ... <br /><br />Don't be shy skouti... come on board.. You only have a lot to gain... you shouldn't be hanging around with those hand bangers any more... common we will help you.Dar-schanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16701054144454418464noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4793384866525609075.post-86156164780665580072012-01-02T09:52:16.899-08:002012-01-02T09:52:16.899-08:00ROFLMAO@dar schan
Ok so a backward ass cracker li...ROFLMAO@dar schan<br /><br />Ok so a backward ass cracker like you can ski........that'll impress the fake blogger no end but I hate to break it to you, you still won't get a look in.....shameAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4793384866525609075.post-40203728941892773362012-01-02T09:48:00.014-08:002012-01-02T09:48:00.014-08:00Update:
Robert has explicitly confirmed having sp...<b>Update:</b> <br />Robert has explicitly confirmed having spoken to Liberated and attests that he has additional supporting information, <a href="http://liberatednow.blogspot.com/2012/01/message-from-robert-spencer.html" rel="nofollow">see here</a>.<br /><br />For me, as someone who trusts Robert, this is all the attested confirmation I needed to see.<br /><br />Liberated, <br /><br />Please accept my apology. I believe my addressing this issue was for the better. You have my support.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4793384866525609075.post-27558072795741750272012-01-02T09:43:19.390-08:002012-01-02T09:43:19.390-08:00skouti - "Do you go out in the real world and...skouti - "Do you go out in the real world and espouse your weird views to others ?" <br /><br />Wow...wow..skouti... where did you think about that, hey, It must be when you went to the giddy-room took the dump. Did your back or the front suppose not to face Mecca? I keep forgetting. I guess if you get that one wrong your brain gets all messed up, right there.<br /><br />The people who should be answering that questions are the Muslims. That includes you. I don't have to waste my time on those bum carpets bending up and down at least six times a day. I have so many outdoor hobbies, that you can only dream about. I got a one week of skiing lined up with the gals and buddies, that is a good starter. You can only imagine, we gonna have fun...<br /><br />What is your sorry ass do other than limiting yourself to be a class clown?Dar-schanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16701054144454418464noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4793384866525609075.post-77757774035662263552012-01-02T09:36:14.081-08:002012-01-02T09:36:14.081-08:00He is the gift that keeps on giving, Dar.He is the gift that keeps on giving, Dar.Stevehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14414632528266336216noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4793384866525609075.post-2761620634424935392012-01-02T09:34:02.837-08:002012-01-02T09:34:02.837-08:00Steve - to be honest, I think I pity him. He is st...Steve - to be honest, I think I pity him. He is stuck in the rot. As you said, he got be really stupid to keep coming back for absurd amount of mega-hammering.Dar-schanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16701054144454418464noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4793384866525609075.post-37572921680366439272012-01-02T09:33:20.932-08:002012-01-02T09:33:20.932-08:00See!!!
LOLSee!!!<br /><br />LOLStevehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14414632528266336216noreply@blogger.com