tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4793384866525609075.post1699336092755023121..comments2023-12-29T00:19:54.130-08:00Comments on Liberated: Ever since I can remember, I have always been a ZionistLiberated Onehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/12033054482768383889noreply@blogger.comBlogger160125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4793384866525609075.post-52827630547871357752012-08-29T06:05:59.424-07:002012-08-29T06:05:59.424-07:00Knowing the right ingredients to writing a success...Knowing the right ingredients to writing a successful essay will do it. Knowing the beginning and ending of an essay are vital parts to making it successful. The first paragraph is the most important paragraph of any type of writing because most readers stop if the first paragraph does not hold their interest. However, knowing how to write supporting evidence, style, and correct grammar are also important. Put these ingredients together and you have a winning essay.<br />________________<br /><br /><a href="http://www.affordablewriting.net/" rel="nofollow">Essay Writing</a> | <a href="http://www.affordablewriting.net/letter-writing.html/" rel="nofollow">Letter writing services </a> | <a href="http://www.affordablewriting.net/professional-essay-writing.html/" rel="nofollow">Professional Essay Writing</a> | <a href="http://www.affordablewriting.net/letter-writing.html/" rel="nofollow">letter writing services</a> | <a href="http://www.affordablewriting.net/term-paper-writing.html/" rel="nofollow">term paper service</a> | <a href="http://www.affordablewriting.net/thesis-writing.html/" rel="nofollow">thesis writing service</a>Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07247453953720142943noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4793384866525609075.post-14490373357366334762012-02-10T19:16:35.354-08:002012-02-10T19:16:35.354-08:00I am really impressed with your writing skills and...<b>I am really impressed with your writing skills and also with the layout on your weblog. Is this a paid theme or did you customize it yourself? Anyway keep up the excellent quality writing, it is rare to see a nice blog like this one nowadays..</b><br><a href="https://sites.google.com/a/cheap.bestgoodshop.objs.biz/best-buy-outdoor-carts-and-bins-gardening-outdoorliving-deals/purchase-magna-cart-ideal-hand-truck" rel="nofollow">Magna Cart Ideal Hand Truck</a>Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4793384866525609075.post-80294333006138998752012-01-28T18:25:11.324-08:002012-01-28T18:25:11.324-08:00The followers of Allah, the pagan moon god of Arab...The followers of Allah, the pagan moon god of Arabia and the sex manic Muhammad will not stop until the achieve the terrorist needs.Aint Burstinghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00478025828863087466noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4793384866525609075.post-21440859902602148312012-01-13T17:38:06.593-08:002012-01-13T17:38:06.593-08:00Slave of Allah,
I ask that you not engage in insu...Slave of Allah,<br /><br />I ask that you not engage in insult. <br /><br />Also, I think you are misreading some of the comments; for example, I never claimed that the people called Palestinians today are "a fake people."Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4793384866525609075.post-72073088961231178682012-01-13T12:54:47.128-08:002012-01-13T12:54:47.128-08:00I see yall getting behind Newt Gingrich's theo...I see yall getting behind Newt Gingrich's theory of Palestinians being a fake people... sad thing is there is a substantial amount of Palestinian Christians too who are dying but you neoconservative rednecks want Jerusalem to be populated with these big nosed, interest loving bloodsuckers. That the only way Jesus will return right, if all thoses big noses are in the area? Stupid, Israel sinks the US Liberty and the US doesnt retaliate? Israel is the only country in the world that doesn't declare how many nukes they have in their aresenal. Soon Iran will join Pakistan to counter them in that department...Slave of Allahhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18196637921377160324noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4793384866525609075.post-794119606564342842012-01-13T12:49:35.126-08:002012-01-13T12:49:35.126-08:00German Arsonist in LA got arrested a couple weeks ...German Arsonist in LA got arrested a couple weeks ago... I bet if he was Muslim he wouldn't be labeled just as an arsonist. He'd be labeled a terrorist. Can't wait til Iran gets their N-Bomb ready!Slave of Allahhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18196637921377160324noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4793384866525609075.post-66137001754106547912012-01-11T18:52:32.745-08:002012-01-11T18:52:32.745-08:00Hugh,
I was responding to the points you raised, ...Hugh,<br /><br />I was responding to the points you raised, starting from your initial post on this subject (i.e., the idea that the Quran promised a patch of land to the Jews) and those that followed.<br /><br />You wrote: "So where does it say the Jews were replaced by the "Palestinians" in "Palestine"?"<br /><br />Indeed the Quran doesn't say that; it doesn't mention Palestinians or Palestine explicitly or specifically. It (plus the Hadith) orders Muslims to bring all land and people everywhere on earth under the rule of Islam and Muhammad. If the land promised to the Jews exists anywhere on this earth, then Muslims have to conquer it if the Jews don't convert to Islam and implement full sharia. Hence, it doesn't matter if it doesn't mention Palestine in particular; we may logically deduce the land Muslims must conquer includes all particular nameable places on earth.<br /><br />My main point in response to your posts was that the verses you cited, which involve a past historical reference to a conditional promise to the Jews (conditions which the Jews violated, thus nullifying the covenant involving any such promise), don't change the policy going forward from the Quran's/Muhammad's marching orders.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4793384866525609075.post-14136914877854516372012-01-11T11:01:20.623-08:002012-01-11T11:01:20.623-08:00hugh watt
"Vet them!" What am I suppose...hugh watt<br /><br /><i>"Vet them!" What am I supposed to be vetting them for? </i><br /><br />For verification of your claim about them, that they are harmless and reflect a potential mass of similarly harmless Muslims we should not take actions against, lest we start behaving like Nazis.Hesperadohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10394374828751466705noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4793384866525609075.post-69663326302810919202012-01-11T09:56:20.296-08:002012-01-11T09:56:20.296-08:00Hesperado
"I have no way of knowing whether ...Hesperado<br /><br />"I have no way of knowing whether you asked them the right questions (and, just as important, the right follow-up questions) by which to vet them, so not only are you proffering anecdotal evidence, but insufficient anecdotal evidence at that."<br /><br />"Vet them!" What am I supposed to be vetting them for? <br /><br />"So on both counts, your test fails to meet the stringent standard we must uphold because the stakes are so high."<br /><br />Yes. I see souls needing God's grace to save them from eternal damnation. You see security risks of J Edgar Hoover proportions. If a Muslim converts to Christianity they no longer see any need to threaten violence towards their fellow man. There's just no place in Christ's teaching that would allow that.<br /><br />I absolutely understand your concerns. I too would be watching my Muslim neighbors if I were not a Christian, and with great suspicion. But alas! I'm not caught in that trap:)hugh watthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15485318279390149754noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4793384866525609075.post-2958356062602617012012-01-10T20:23:42.424-08:002012-01-10T20:23:42.424-08:00Greenforest, I hope you're right about atheist...Greenforest, I hope you're right about atheists; though I wouldn't bet on it. As for Christians and Jews, I don't recall making any statements about them in this regard. I have said that PC MC is rife, dominant and mainstream throughout the West -- from which one could conclude that no one (outside of various minorities which currently don't muster sufficient sway sociopolitically) is spared my dismal assessment.Hesperadohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10394374828751466705noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4793384866525609075.post-53745382239383526002012-01-10T18:22:59.270-08:002012-01-10T18:22:59.270-08:00Hesperado,
Based on my knowledge and experience, ...Hesperado,<br /><br />Based on my knowledge and experience, I think in your assumptions you are overestimating the percentage of atheists in the West today who are pro-Islam or soft on Islam. I also suspect you are underestimating, or neglecting, the amount of Christians and Jews in the West who are pro-Islam or soft on Islam.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4793384866525609075.post-46363299373399966982012-01-10T14:29:52.101-08:002012-01-10T14:29:52.101-08:00hugh watt,
"having spoken with numerous Musl...hugh watt,<br /><br />"having spoken with numerous Muslims I find that not all are jihadist minded.<br /><br />I have no way of knowing whether you asked them the right questions (and, just as important, the right follow-up questions) by which to vet them, so not only are you proffering anecdotal evidence, but insufficient anecdotal evidence at that.<br /><br />"Perhaps you're not aware of Muslims who have been executed on the grounds of "honor killings" because they came to the West and were not as devout in their ideology as before."<br /><br />Islam has had murderous internecine fighting since its inception 1400 years ago. The fact that one group interprets their flavor of fanaticism "purer" than another and therefore warranting killing them does not by itself prove that the ones killed are any less dangerous to us. And the mere fact of superficially behaving in Westernized fashion is not sufficient proof of a Muslim's harmlessness. So on both counts, your test fails to meet the stringent standard we must uphold because the stakes are so high. If you add to these two insufficient criteria your own gut feeling, I'm afraid I'm not going to bank my safety and the safety of my society on that slender reed. (Even if I knew you personally and came to the conclusion that you were a fine fellow and reasonably intelligent, it would still be insufficient.)Hesperadohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10394374828751466705noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4793384866525609075.post-26567750256846193872012-01-10T13:48:33.163-08:002012-01-10T13:48:33.163-08:00Gf
"You seem to be trying to use a kind of a...Gf<br /><br />"You seem to be trying to use a kind of argument that erroneously makes Islam look tolerant, or that there is some kind of loophole in the Quran..."<br /><br />Then you're reading me wrong. <br /><br />I've stated enough times what my point was. The Holy Land. For Jews or "Palestinians"? What does the Koran say? <br /><br />I said nothing about whether S.9 changes things or not. As it happens I know what the implications of the said sura are, but that's besides the point.<br /><br />"Islam is a replacement theology/ideology. It erases, and replaces, what came before it..."<br /><br />So where does it say the Jews were replaced by the "Palestinians" in "Palestine"?<br /><br />"There is nothing in the Quran that says there is a particular patch of land (or particular group of people) where Islamic jihad policy and Islamic law do not apply and must not ever apply."<br /><br />Same question as above. <br /><br />"You seem to have an axe to grind here about atheists or the non-religious..."<br /><br />There are many secularists who think all religions are the same and all need to be restricted in how they operate. This causes problems when different religious groups want to debate. For some reason secularists seem to think if people from different religious bodies get together a war will break out. PCness is their attempts to solve this matter at the expense of free speech. To be fair it's not just atheists or secularists. I posted something about Pakistan wanting to ban anything it considers anti-Islamic.hugh watthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15485318279390149754noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4793384866525609075.post-51089259519252017062012-01-10T11:59:58.689-08:002012-01-10T11:59:58.689-08:00Hesperado
"You are not thinking rationally. ...Hesperado<br /><br />"You are not thinking rationally. If Jews or any other group were saying and doing the things Muslims are saying and doing..."<br /><br />I understand what you're saying, but having spoken with numerous Muslims I find that not all are jihadist minded. <br /><br />Perhaps you're not aware of Muslims who have been executed on the grounds of "honor killings" because they came to the West and were not as devout in their ideology as before. These are often more open to dialog. As it happens being a Christian often helps since Muslims would rather talk to a Christian, even if it's to blast us, than to a non-theist.hugh watthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15485318279390149754noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4793384866525609075.post-29098887933549454382012-01-10T05:42:42.110-08:002012-01-10T05:42:42.110-08:00Mostly, I agree that the reflexive defense of Isla...Mostly, I agree that the reflexive defense of Islam and of Muslims is not peculiarly rooted in atheism qua atheism. However, I do not agree that the reflexive defense is a left/right political phenomenon -- for the simple reason that the majority (if not the vast majority) of Conservatives, Centrists and that large swath of people who are Comfortably Apolitical all more or less also reflexively defend Islam and Muslims.<br /><br />That's why I use the term PC MC rather than "Leftist" or "liberal", since otherwise we'd have to call individuals ike George Bush, Donald Rumsfeld, Rudy Giuliani, John McCain, Mitt Romney, Ron Paul, Texas Governor Perry and many other conservatives "liberals", which strains the terminology past the breaking point. Most conservatives may indeed be conservative when it comes to a whole array of other sociopolitical issues; but when it comes to the issue of condemning Islam and condemning all Muslims who support and/or enable Islam -- suddenly, magically, these same conservatives become unable to step up to the plate. Were Muslims white power supremacists and were their ideology Islam a white power ideology (and were such hypothetical Muslims doing all the same violent and intolerant things the actual Muslims have been doing around the world), all conservatives would <i>immediately</i> condemn them and call for aggressive measures, without mincing words and gingerly walking on eggshells at best, groping for "isms" by which to truncate the problem down to a bare minimum of a Tiny Minority of Extremists.<br /><br />That said, there is something about the subculture of atheism that lends itself to being timid about condemning Islam -- and that is its cultivation of an anti-Christian animus coupled with its enthusiastic swallowing and regurgitative parroting of the self-hating "shame" of the white West's tradition of Evil Colonialism and Evil Treatment of Brown People. Along comes this new ethnic people (or wonderfully diverse rainbow of Ethnic Peoples),the Muslim, and all the mechanisms of PC MC Anti-Racism (with its necessary corollary, the dogma that only the White West is capable of the evil of racism, with all non-whites eternally the hapless victims of us evil whites most of whom historically were evil Christians oppressing, torturing and massacring Precious Noble Savages) kick in and exert themselves.<br /><br />While atheists are far from being unique or alone in this regard, nevertheless, their subculture warmly gravitates to that overall paradigm of PC MC whenever it comes to Islam and Muslims, and the exceptions I think are "to the rule".Hesperadohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10394374828751466705noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4793384866525609075.post-21997867127143727252012-01-09T22:35:04.297-08:002012-01-09T22:35:04.297-08:00Hesperado,
(comment reposted with a couple of edi...Hesperado,<br /><br />(comment reposted with a couple of edits)<br /><br />When I said "disagree" with you, I was referring to the particular comments to which Hugh responded.<br /><br />As to the issue of religious versus nonreligious attitudes, among Westerners, toward Islam and Islam criticism, there are indeed some soft-headed and equivalencist views among atheists and agnostics, but I've also seen these types of arguments from Christians and Jews who argue that the real problem is "fundamentalism", and ask why can't we just stop all this nasty business of criticism and get together for the next interfaith Kumbayah session? (And some soft-religious people also complain that the "new atheists" are extremists etc. too)<br /><br />Re atheists, in recent years, particularly with the strong statements characterizing Islam as the worst threat, by such figures as Harris, (the late) Hitchens, Dawkins, Hirsi Ali, and others, and by my observations of atheist website comment sections, the view that Islam is worse than the others has definitely increased. However, American atheists on the political far left seem to be particularly reluctant (as compared to other atheists in general) to criticize Islam, and particularly trigger-happy about crying bigotry whenever a criticism of Islam is not accompanied by at least some token criticism of Christianity or Judaism), and this may have more to do with the right-left political dynamic in the U.S. than anything about atheists as such.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4793384866525609075.post-4096650954107271202012-01-09T22:32:42.973-08:002012-01-09T22:32:42.973-08:00This comment has been removed by the author.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4793384866525609075.post-53673000674029785012012-01-09T20:08:14.922-08:002012-01-09T20:08:14.922-08:00This comment has been removed by the author.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4793384866525609075.post-50800712785568706292012-01-09T20:00:05.531-08:002012-01-09T20:00:05.531-08:00Re: this business about the Taurat and Injil (Tora...Re: this business about the Taurat and Injil (Torah and Gospel); it's quite simple really. Here's the Islamic perspective:<br /><br />1) Allah is Yahweh.<br /><br />2) Allah created the world and Adam and Eve, etc.<br /><br />3) Allah along the way tried to guide Mankind, but Mankind kept straying and erring (so far, this is pretty much what the Old Testament says).<br /><br />4) At some point, Allah gave Moses the Taurat -- which is the "Guidance" of Allah. However, subsequent Jews, being evil and corrupt, corrupted the Taurat and disfigured it, purposefully leaving out key passages. <br /><br />5) Various individual prophets of Allah came along, now and then, to calumniate against the Israelites for falling repeatedly into wickedness (again, nothing terribly different from the Old Testament).<br /><br />6) The situation kept devolving, then penultimately, a prophet of Allah (Issa/Jesus) rose up to try to show Mankind (and the Jews) the Guidance of Allah, but he too was rejected. His Guidance, the Injil (the Evangel or Gospel) was also corrupted and twisted by the corrupt and wicked followers (= Christians) of Issa.<br /><br />7) Note: All the Jews and Christians who during those 2000+ Biblical years happened to follow Allah's Guidance are true Muslims; the rest are traitors and Kuffar, hiding and mangling the truth.<br /><br />8) Finally, a few hundred years after that, Allah said "Enough's Enough" and sent his Last Prophet, and said in effect -- "You better follow this one and My Definitive Book I entrusted him with, or you are all fucked. End of story." And Mohammed's minions have been dutifully carrying out the spirit and the letter of that Last Missive from God AKA Allah, grimly and violently trying to make damned sure it takes.<br /><br />Only one wee little problem. #1-8 are all camelshit.Hesperadohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10394374828751466705noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4793384866525609075.post-32734470697280778522012-01-09T19:49:03.053-08:002012-01-09T19:49:03.053-08:00Greenforest, I'd say that most Western atheist...Greenforest, I'd say that most Western atheists would disagree with me because while they may be "against religion" in general, they tend to soft-pedal criticism of Islam, and exaggerate criticism of other religions (mostly Christianity). Any vigorous criticism of Islam -- particularly any criticism that implies, as mine does, that Islam is a gazillion times worse than all other religions -- would be frowned upon by most Western atheists, because their paradigm of Equivalency ("all religions are equally bad") often actually serves to protect Islam by dulling the edges around it that show it to be -- precisely a gazillion times worse than all other religions.Hesperadohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10394374828751466705noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4793384866525609075.post-26144696080197204682012-01-09T19:47:46.990-08:002012-01-09T19:47:46.990-08:00In regards to Muhammad's ambitions toward conq...In regards to Muhammad's ambitions toward conquering the neighboring regions, I might as well post the following quote from Moshe Gil's <i>A History of Palestine 634-1099</i> (p. 12), which I typed out for my Islamic History files:<br /><br />"When Muhammad reached Medina in 622, Palestine was under Persian domination. The events of the Persian and Byzantine wars were still alive in the minds of the inhabitants of the peninsula and Muhammad was certainly aware of what had occurred; these events are mentioned in the Koran (surat al-rum). He understood only too well that the two major powers, Persia and Byzantium, were gradually being weakened by their continuous warring. In one of the most difficult moments endured by the young Muslim ummah (community), when and expeditionary force from Mecca laid siege to Medina and the Muslims were compelled to surround themselves by a ditch (something that had never happened in Bedouin experience) and were complaining of the laborious digging, Muhammad declared that he saw in the sparks that flew from the digging shovels, the palaces of Kisra (Khusraw), as they called the Persian king, and Qaysar (the Byzantine emperor), as the future patrimony of the Muslims. Both the Prophet and the early Muslims professed these ideas and intentions as part of a religious outlook according to which the Day of Judgment was imminent. Muhammad thought of himself as bringing the Word of God, a God who had chosen him to carry His message to the righteous, that is, the Muslims, and he had no doubt in his mind that the Muslims would shortly inherit the earth. Towards the end of his life, he began his first raids into Palestinian territory, which in the meantime had returned to Byzantine rule. His goal, at this stage, was evidently to induce the tribes on the Palestinian borders to join him, as we shall see below. The major conquests only began two years after his death.”Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4793384866525609075.post-66242419307853274042012-01-09T19:29:48.087-08:002012-01-09T19:29:48.087-08:00Hugh,
You seem to have an axe to grind here about...Hugh,<br /><br />You seem to have an axe to grind here about atheists or the non-religious. I'm not sure how this is relevant. In any case, since you've raised the topic, I'll address it, in the hopes to clear up your misconceptions. You wrote:<br /><br />"Because of the PC Western nations policy which stifles free speech and encourages the jihadists, the secularists have made it difficult for people such as myself to speak out openly to these people."<br /><br />I'm a secularist--i.e., someone who opposes theocracy--and as far as I'm concerned you can criticize Islam and Muhammad and political correctness etc. all you want. There are both religious and non-religious people of the politically correct type who oppose criticism of Islam and Muhammad.<br /><br />You said to Hesperado (who as far as I'm aware is an agnostic) "Your worldview seems to be somewhat atheistic since this is often how atheists reason. I fear for you if you should ever suffer a heart attack and a Muslim comes to try and help you:)"<br /><br />There are religious and non-religious people who agree/disagree with Hesperado's views. (For example, I'm an atheist, and I disagree with Hesperado, and I know lots of other atheists who would also disagree with him). Total red herring.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4793384866525609075.post-73005639915845644882012-01-09T18:57:04.762-08:002012-01-09T18:57:04.762-08:00Hugh,
"The Koran says that Allah gave the Je...Hugh,<br /><br />"The Koran says that Allah gave the Jews the Torah and the Injil to the Christians. S.9 changes this no more than it changed the ref's that state the Land, as was the Torah was given to the Jews. Other than that I really don't know any other way to make this any clearer."<br /><br />The fact that the Quran says Allah gave the Jews and Christians the Torah and Gospel doesn't mean these Books are to be followed after Muhammad came with the Quran and his rulings. People in the pre-Islamic era are cited in the Quran as righteous, upright, believers, and "Muslims" if they follow the prophets and pure monotheism. Jesus, Moses, et al., are called "Muslim" prophetsin the Quran. In addition, the Quran imposes revisionist reading such that Jews and Christians have distorted their Scriptures, deny that the Scriptures prophecy Muhammad's coming, and that they don't follow them adequately anyway.<br /><br />Islam is a replacement theology/ideology. It erases, and replaces, what came before it (see Ibn Kathir's tafsir of 8:38-39). After Muhammad, and the Quran, and their message to all humankind (7:156-158, 34:28), everyone is either to embrace Islam, or else accept dhimmitude (9:29) or slavery, or risk death in battle. Those who fail to do this and oppose Islam are considered guilty of trangressing and spreading corruption on earth and must be subject to the penalties listed in 5:32-33, which include death, crucifixion, cross-amputation, or banishment. Note banishment. Then note the jihad policy of the Quran, and of Muhammad, who expelled some of the Jews and killed others. <br /><br />There is nothing in the Quran that says there is a particular patch of land (or particular group of people) where Islamic jihad policy and Islamic law do not apply and must not ever apply.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4793384866525609075.post-7013875005116348342012-01-09T18:34:05.898-08:002012-01-09T18:34:05.898-08:00Hugh,
You seem to be trying to use a kind of argu...Hugh,<br /><br />You seem to be trying to use a kind of argument that erroneously makes Islam look tolerant, or that there is some kind of loophole in the Quran whereby Muslims must leave non-Muslims alone unmolested on some particular patch of land which Allah has ordained for them. The verses you cited above say no such thing, nor do any of the tafsirs I've consulted support your interpretation.<br /><br />You ask: "I have a question. Is this the way a Muslim explained this to you, or did you interpret it that way yourself?"<br /><br />The most relevant interpretation is best shown by Muhammad and his companions. According to Islamic history, in 628 Muhammad sent out letters to the leaders of the neighboring empires and territories warning them to embrace Islam and threatening to conquer them if they did not comply. In 629, Muhammad himself initiated the first raids into Palestinian territory.[1] The four rightly guided caliphs after Muhammad's death in 632 (Abu Bakr, Umar, Uthman, Ali), plus Muhammad's other warrior companions, continued to invade, and then conquered, and then held, the relevant territory in the Middle East (i.e., the Levant, including but not limited to what is now Israel and the Palestinian territories). Umar conquered the region by about 640.<br /><br />I have read the Quran and have studied it in detail. My reading of it agrees with the idea that after Muhammad's message, people had to either accept the invitation to embrace Islam (and pay zakat) or be subjugated and taxed heavily under Islamic law, or else fight to the death. This was certainly the policy, for example, that was shown in Muhammad's conquest of the Khaybar Jews (as referenced in Quran 33:26-27). The Hadith and the Sira bear this out. Islamic law bears this out. Moreover, Islamic jurisprudence requires that any territory that was once acquired by Islam must always remain so, and that if it falls into non-Muslim hands it must be reconquered.<br /><br />[1] Moshe Gil, <i>A History of Palestine, 634-1099</i>, p. 12. <a href="http://books.google.ca/books?id=M0wUKoMJeccC&printsec=frontcover&dq=a+history+of+palestine&hl=en&sa=X&ei=2n0LT_K6C8Xg0QH18qjaBQ&ved=0CEsQ6AEwAQ#v=onepage&q&f=false" rel="nofollow">Link</a>Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4793384866525609075.post-86651815003936628922012-01-09T14:05:21.862-08:002012-01-09T14:05:21.862-08:00hugh watt,
"I have to say it reminded me of ...hugh watt,<br /><br />"I have to say it reminded me of the mistrust Hitler had of the Jews and white supremacists have of Blacks..."<br /><br />You are not thinking rationally. If Jews or any other group were saying and doing the things Muslims are saying and doing (further buttressed by an ideological blueprint in the form of religious texts), I would be equally suspicious and wary of Jews or any other group. But they aren't; so I'm not. This is about concrete words and deeds; not about abstract principles in abstraction from concrete words and deeds.Hesperadohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10394374828751466705noreply@blogger.com