Saturday, January 21, 2012

Women In Islam

Hello, friends. First of all I apologize for being out of sight for nearly a week, as I had been really busy at work, and also had my parents visiting me and my brothers from Pakistan. While they were here staying with me, I could not but help feeling really sorry for them, especially my mother. She covers herself in that black garb and thinks that those women who do not are committing a major crime in the eyes of Allah and Mohammed and those women (actually an indirect insinuation in my direction) will surely be the fuel of the hell fire. I really feel so sorry for my mom and most of my Muslim friends who don the hijab and consider women like us not completely Muslim, and most of the Muslim men consider non-Muslim women and non-hijabi women as mere whores. Believe me when I say that no one suffers as much in this world as the Muslim women, in fact the mother of all believers Ayesha said the exact same words. Islam is heaven for Muslim men, but a hell for the believing women…. I know this and so does every Muslim women on the face of the earth, whether she lives in Pakistan or Iran or Afghanistan or Indonesia or Saudi or Algeria or Turkey…

Engaging in their own form of Stockholm Syndrome, most Muslim women publicly defend the very laws that enslave them. Like my mother, some of my friends and colleagues do. They actually justify the evil misogynistic rules of Islam and say it is for the betterment of the Muslim women. Many Muslims claim that “Islam honors women,” just as they claim that Islam is a “Religion of Peace.” The truth however, is just the opposite. Islam does not honor women, but rather, holds their very lives in absolute bondage. There is no age limit for marriage of girls under Sharia. A man can pay a dowry and sign a marriage contract with the parents of a toddler girl and consummate the marriage at age 9 just because their pedophiliac prophet Mo did that, and they think in doing that, they are just following the Sunnah. According to the Shariah, the adulterer will be stoned to death, but not many people are aware that this rule applies mostly for women, because men are allowed to have sex with their sex slaves and concubines. Even if a man and woman are caught having sex and four witnesses are also present, the punishment for women is digging up a hole and inserting her in up to her chest and then stoning her to death, whereas a man is just stoned while he is standing. And if he manages to escape, he is lucky, but a woman is not even allowed a chance to escape.

The right of divorce is solely in hands of the man, whereas the poor women do not have the right go give divorce, They can go to a Shariah court and ask for a Khul, which is like a divorce in which the woman has to give up all her alimony right, but then it takes a long time, sometimes years, to convince the judge to grant the woman a divorce. I know so many Arab ladies who are waiting for the last couple of years or more for the Shariah court to make their decisions regarding their Khul, whereas their ‘husbands’ have already married a second time and moved on with their lives.

A rebellious wife is one who refuses to go to bed with her husband, and this nullifies the husband’s obligation to support her and gives him permission to beat her. In fact, that misogynistic son of a bitch said: “A man will not be asked as to why he beat his wife." Such a bastard, I swear….

I have never read or heard of anyone more lustful than him.. Here are a few of his sexual escapades:

Qur'an 33:51

"You may have whomever you desire; there is no blame."

Tabari VIII:187

"The [sixty-two-year old] Messenger of Allah married Mulaykah. She was young and beautiful. One of the Prophet's wives came to her and said, 'Are you not ashamed to marry a man who killed your father during the day he conquered Mecca?" She therefore took refuge from him."

Qur'an 66:1

"O Prophet! Why forbid yourself that which Allah has made lawful to you? You seek to please your consorts."

Qur'an 66:4

"If you (women) turn in repentance to him, it would be better. Your hearts have been impaired, for you desired (the ban) [on how many girls Muhammad could play with at a time]. But if you back each other up against (Muhammad), truly Allah is his protector, and Gabriel, and everyone who believes - and furthermore, the angels will back (him) up."

Qur'an 66:5

"Maybe, if he divorces you (all), Allah will give him in exchange consorts better than you - submissive, faithful, obedient, adorers who worship, who travel, and are inclined to fasting - previously married or virgins."

Tabari VIII:117

"Dihyah had asked the Messenger for Safiyah when the Prophet chose her for himself. Muhammad gave Dihyah her two cousins instead." Ishaq:511 "When he protested, wanting to keep Safiyah for himself, the Apostle traded for Safiyah by giving Dihyah her two cousins. The women of Khaybar were distributed among the Muslims."

Bukhari:V5B59N524

"The Muslims said among themselves, 'Will Safiyah be one of the Prophet's wives or just a lady captive and one of his possessions?'"

Tabari VIII:110

"When Abu Sufyan learned that the Prophet had taken her, he said, 'That stallion's nose is not to be restrained!'"

Bukhari:V4B52N143
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"When we reached Khaybar, Muhammad said that Allah had enabled him to conquer them. It was then that the beauty of Safiyah was described to him. Her husband had been killed [by Muhammad], so Allah's Apostle selected her for himself. He took her along with him till we reached a place where her menses were over and he took her for his wife, consummating his marriage to her, and forcing her to wear the veil.'"

Tabari VIII:122
Ishaq:515

"Muhammad commanded that Safiyah should be kept behind him and he threw his cloak over her. Thus the Muslims knew that he had chosen her for himself."

Ishaq:517

"When the Apostle took Safiyah on his way out of town, she was beautified and combed, putting her in a fitting state for the Messenger. The Apostle passed the night with her in his tent. Abu Ayyub, girt with his sword, guarded the Apostle, going round the tent until he saw him emerge in the morning. Abu said, 'I was afraid for you with this woman for you have killed her father, her husband, and her people."

Qur'an 33:30

"O Consorts of the Prophet! If...any of you are devout, obedient, and submissive in the service to Allah and His Messenger, and does good, to her shall We grant her reward twice. We have prepared for her a generously rich provision."

Tabari IX:126

"The Messenger of Allah married fifteen women. He combined eleven at a time and left behind nine."

Ishaq:311

"The Apostle saw Ummu'l when she was a baby crawling before his feet and said, 'If she grows up, I will marry her.' But he died before he was able to do so."

Tabari VII:7

"The Prophet married Aisha in Mecca three years before the Hijrah, after the death of Khadija. At the time she was six." Ishaq:281 "When the Apostle came to Medina he was fifty-three."

Tabari IX:128

"When the Prophet married Aisha she very young and not yet ready for consummation."

Bukhari:V9B87N139-40

"Allah's Apostle told Aisha, 'You were shown to me twice in my dreams [a.k.a. sexual fantasies]. I beheld a man or angel carrying you in a silken cloth. He said to me, "She is yours, so uncover her." And behold, it was you. I would then say to myself, "If this is from Allah, then it must happen."'"

Tabari IX:131

"My mother came to me while I was being swung on a swing between two branches and got me down. My nurse wiped my face with some water and started leading me. When I was at the door she stopped so I could catch my breath. I was then brought in while the Messenger was sitting on a bed in our house. My mother made me sit on his lap. Then the men and women got up and left. The Prophet consummated his marriage with me in my house when I was nine years old."

Tabari IX:133

"Juwayriyyah was chosen by the Messenger for himself on the day of the Muraysi raid from the captives." "Muhammad married Umm, who had embraced Christianity."

Tabari IX:134

"Muhammad took Zaynab [his daughter-in-law] but Allah did not find any fault in the [incestuous] relationship and ordered the marriage."

Tabari IX:135

"When the Prophet scrutinized the captives on the day of Khaybar, he threw his cloak over Safayah. Thus she was his chosen one." Tabari IX:139 "The Messenger married Ghaziyyah after the news of her beauty and skill had reached him."

Tabari IX:137

"Allah granted Rayhanah of the [Jewish] Qurayza to His Messenger as booty [but only after she had been forced to watch him decapitate her father and brother, seen her mother hauled off to be raped, and her sisters sold into slavery]."

Tabari IX:137

"Mariyah, a Copt slave, was presented to the Prophet. She was given to him by Muqawqis, the ruler of Alexandria."

Tabari IX:138

"The Prophet married Aliyyah, a Bakr woman. He gave her gifts for divorce and left her. He also married Qutaylah, but he died before he could consummate the marriage."

Tabari IX:139

"Layla approached the Prophet while his back was to the sun and clapped him on his shoulder. He asked her who it was and she replied, 'I am the daughter of one who competes with the wind. I am Layla. I have come to offer myself to you.' He replied, 'I accept.'" [Layla shared her story with her parents.] "They said, 'What a bad thing you have done! You are a self-respecting girl, but the Prophet is a womanizer.'"

Tabari IX:147

"A eunuch named Mubur was presented to Muhammad along with two slave girls. One he took as a concubine, the other he gave to Haasn."

Ishaq:186

"He took me into Paradise and there I saw a damsel with dark red lips. I asked her to whom she belonged, for she pleased me much when I saw her."

Bukhari:V4B52N211

"I participated in a Ghazwa [raid] with the Prophet. I said, 'Apostle, I am a bridegroom.' He asked me whether I had married a virgin or matron. I answered, 'A matron.' He said, 'Why not a virgin who would have played with you? Then you could have played with her.' 'Apostle! My father was martyred and I have some young sisters, so I felt it not proper that I should marry a young girl as young as them.'"

Tabari VIII:100

"The Messenger sent Hatib to Muqawqis, the ruler of Alexandria. Hatib delivered the letter of the Prophet, and Muqawqis gave Allah's Apostle four slave girls."

Bukhari:V9B86N98

"The Prophet said, 'A virgin should not be married till she is asked for her consent.' 'O Apostle! How will the virgin express her consent?' He said, 'By remaining silent.'"

Bukhari:V5B59N342

"Umar said, 'When my daughter Hafsa lost her husband in the battle of Badr, Allah's Apostle demanded her hand in marriage and I married her to him.'"

Tabari VIII:1

"In this year the Messenger married Zaynab bt. Jahsh [a first cousin: Allah's Messenger came to the house of Zayd bin [son of] Muhammad. Perhaps the Messenger missed him at that moment. Zaynab, Zayd's wife, rose to meet him. She was dressed only in a shift.... She jumped up eagerly and excited the admiration of Allah's Messenger, so that he turned away murmuring something that could scarcely be understood. However, he did say overtly, 'Glory be to Allah Almighty, who causes hearts to turn!' So Zayd went to Muhammad. 'Prophet, I have heard that you came to my house. Why didn't you go in? [Dad,] Perhaps Zaynab has excited your admiration, so I will leave her.'"

Tabari VIII:4

"One day Muhammad went out looking for Zayd. Now there was a covering of haircloth over the doorway, but the wind had lifted the covering so that the doorway was uncovered. Zaynab was in her chamber, undressed, and admiration for her entered the heart of the Prophet. After that Allah made her unattractive to Zayd.'"

Tabari VIII:3

"Zayd left her, and she became free. While the Messenger of Allah was talking with Aisha, a fainting overcame him. When he was released from it, he smiled and said, 'Who will go to Zaynab to tell her the good news? Allah has married her to me.' Then the Prophet recited [Qur'an 33] to the end of the passage. Aisha said, 'I became very uneasy because of what we heard about her beauty and another thing, the loftiest of matters, what Allah had done for her by personally giving her to him in marriage. I said that she would boast of it over us.'"

Qur'an 33:4

"Allah has not made your wives whom you divorce your mothers: nor has He made your adopted sons your sons. Such is (only) your (manner of) speech by your mouths."

Qur'an 33:6

"The Prophet has a greater claim on the faithful than they have on themselves, and his wives are their mothers.... This is written in the Book."

Qur'an 33:37

"You hid in your mind and your heart that which Allah was about to manifest: you feared the people, but it is more fitting that thou shouldst fear Allah. Then when Zayd had dissolved (his marriage) with her, with the necessary (formality), We gave her to you, joining her in marriage to you: in order that there may be no difficulty or sin for the Believers in the wives of their adopted sons, when the latter have dissolved with the necessary (formality) (their marriage) with them. And Allah's command must be fulfilled."

Qur'an 33:38

"There can be no difficulty, harm, or reproach to the Prophet in doing what Allah has ordained to him as a duty. It was the practice (approved) of Allah amongst those of old that have passed away. And the commandment of Allah is a decree determined. (It is the practice of those) who deliver the Messages of Allah, and fear Him. Allah keeps good account. Muhammad is not the father of any of your men, but (he is) the Messenger of Allah, and the Last of the Prophets with the Seal: and Allah has full knowledge of all things."

Qur'an 33:48

"And obey not (the behests) of the Unbelievers and the Hypocrites. Disregard their noxious talk and heed not their annoyances, but put thy trust in Allah. For enough is Allah as a Disposer of affairs."

Qur'an 33:50

"O Prophet! We have made lawful to you all the wives to whom you have paid dowers; and those whom your hands possess out of the prisoners of war spoils whom Allah has assigned to you; and daughters of your paternal uncles and aunts, and daughters of your uncles and aunts, who migrated with you; and any believing woman if the Prophet wishes her; this is a privilege for you only, and not for the rest of the Believers; We know what We have appointed for them as to their wives and the captives whom they possess; in order that there should be no difficulty for you and that you should be free from blame."

Qur'an 33:51

"You may put off whom you please, and you may take to you whomever you desire. You may defer any of them you please, and you may have whomever you desire; there is no blame on you if you invite one who you had set aside. It is no sin."

Qur'an 33:28

"O Prophet, say to your wives and consorts: 'If you desire this world's life and its glittering adornment, then come! I will provide them for your enjoyment and set you free in a handsome manner. And if you desire Allah and His Messenger and the latter abode, then lo! Allah hath prepared for the good-doers an immense reward."

Qur'an 33:30

"O Consorts of the Prophet! If any of you are guilty of unseemly conduct, shamelessness, or lewdness, the punishment will be doubled, and that is easy for Allah. But any of you that is devout, obedient, and submissive in the service to Allah and His Messenger, and does good, to her shall We grant her reward twice. We have prepared for her a generously rich provision."

Qur'an 33:32

"Consorts of the Prophet! You are not like any of the (other) women. Fear and keep your duty, lest one in whose heart is a disease should be moved with desire. Stay quietly in your apartment. Make not a dazzling display like that of the former times of Ignorance. Perform the devotion, pay the zakat; and obey Allah and His Messenger. And Allah wishes to cleanse you with a thorough cleansing. And bear in mind that which is recited in your houses of the revelations of Allah and the wisdom."

Qur'an 33:36

"It is not fitting for a Muslim man or woman to have any choice in their affairs when a matter has been decided for them by Allah and His Messenger. They have no option. If any one disobeys Allah and His Messenger, he is indeed on a wrong Path."

Qur'an 4:23

"Prohibited to you are: your mothers, daughters, sisters.... Also (prohibited are) women already married, except slaves who are captives." [Rape is okay with Team Islam.]

Bukhari:V5B59N459

"I entered the Mosque, saw Abu, sat beside him and asked about sex. Abu Said said, 'We went out with Allah's Apostle and we received female slaves from among the captives. We desired women and we loved to do coitus interruptus.'"

So you see, the so-called Holy Prophet of Islam is nothing but a sick, perverted sex maniac, a pedophiliac misogynist, and a heartless creature who had absolutely no sense of morals or ethics. He was a self-proclaimed prophet who wanted nothing but power and pussies. That is all he was interested in, and yes, a lot of booty as well… Now if any Muslim person has anything to say in his defense, I would be more than happy to read it. So come on, Slave of Allah, Anj and Skouti. I am all ears.

Have a great weekend, everyone. Cheers…

94 comments:

  1. While I've long been familiar with Islam's tyranny over women, I'd never seen the Tabari quote (IX:131) before. How anyone can deny his pedophilia after that is beyond me. Really, Muhammad was the Jim Jones of the 7th century.

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  2. Unfortunately he didn't do what Jim Jones and his misguided followers did, else the world might have been a better place today?

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  3. Liberated writes:

    "...no one suffers as much in this world as the Muslim women, in fact the mother of all believers Ayesha said the exact same words."

    To which the apt reply is two words:

    Stockholm Syndrome.

    When we consider that Ayesha grew up to be a staunch supporter and defender of Islam (and of her abuser, Mohammed), and even participated in battles to kill non-Muslims (and fellow Muslims deemed insufficiently "pure"), then not only does she lose our sympathy or our use of her as some kind of emblematic standard of All the Muslim Women We Need To Spend Billions of $$$ to Save From Islam (the implicit agenda, apparently, of Liberated and her sponsors Robert Spencer and Ali Sina) -- she also becomes our enemy; and were she alive today, she would merit either imprisonment, deportation, or execution for seditious support of terrorism (i.e., Islam).

    In my essay, Aisha: The Mother of Stockholm Syndrome, I document, among other things, this Bukhari hadith about Aisha's eagerness to participate in violent jihad:

    Narrated Aisha (mother of the faithful believers):

    "I said, 'O Allah's Apostle! Shouldn't we participate in Holy battles and Jihad along with you?' He replied, 'The best and the most superior Jihad (for women) is Hajj which is accepted by Allah.' "
    Aisha added: "Ever since I heard that from Allah's Apostle I have determined not to miss Hajj."

    The West's #1 priority is to defend ourselves from Muslims; and it would be irrationally reckless of us to presume that most Muslim women are not (unfortunately) approximately more like Liberated's mother and like Aisha, than like Liberated.

    I don't mind it if Ali Sina and Liberated indulge their hope in a gushy starry-eyed emotional abstract way; but to the extent their feelings ever start to become translated into actual sociopolitical policy, it becomes my deadly-serious business, for such policy, built upon such fantasy-based foundations, would effectively endanger my life, and the lives of my loved ones and fellow citizens -- all of whom, as non-Muslims, are more important than some putative mass of possibly hopefully malleable Muslims who just need our massive help to the tune of trillions of $$$ plus deployment of our men and women plus major recalibrations of policy vis-a-vis immigration and deportation (or obstacles to deportation), in order to help them escape the Gulag Ummapelago.

    Nuh-uh. No can do. Our lives are more important than their lives. If they want to save themselves, then they have to do it on their own dime, and not drag us down with them.

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  4. [continued from previous comment]

    As I wrote in my above-linked essay:

    ... the fact that Mohammed effectively raped [Aisha] when she was a child of 9 (and likely molested her for the three years prior to that, after he had married her at age 6), and that he thus abused her physically and emotionally, thus overpowering her and perverting her own sense of self and ability to develop a personal will on her own as every child should -- all this certainly is a tragedy, multiplied by the billions throughout the history of Islam and throughout the families and societies of Muslims in Muslim lands today; but it should not cause us to lower our guard against Muslims who may seem to be merely victims but who more likely are also enablers of the very same danger which continues to endanger our societies.

    I.e., if Aisha were alive today, she would be defending Islam, and stoking the fire of hatred against all non-Muslims...

    Bottom Line: Aisha's life was a tragedy, but it -- and that same tragedy of twisted sick depraved co-dependent enablement of millions of victims of Islam supporting their abusers and adoring their abusive Founding Father Muhammad -- is not our problem to solve -- except in one way, and one way alone: to maximize the safety of our societies.

    From previous comments he has made, Ali Sina's position in this regard, if translated into sociopolitical policy, would effectively hinder this one overarching most important consideration. As such, he would stand in the way of our self-defense. And we can't have that. Ali Sina is effectively asking a civilization that is not his own, his superiors, to clean up the mess his culture has created. Sorry. No can do.

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  5. I normally post my comments on a Facebook page "Islam In Society", but the issue of women in Islam is one that must be dealt with not only in the here and now with respect to individual dignity and justice, but the eternal questions. Hopefully Muslim women that read your blog will ask themselves these important questions.
    The Qur'an and Hadith and Fiqh are quite clear on the rewards in Paradise for a righteous Muslim man, however the rewards for a righteous Muslim woman are vague and ambiguous. Additionally, what are the rewards for the righteous Muslim Jinn, Male or female?? These are theological questions that render the Muslim Mufti silent. If Islam is to be considered a spiritual religion, these eternal questions must be asked and answered.

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  6. As an ex-Muslim, I can now look at things from the outside and am surprised at how I used to view myself through the eyes of Islam, I still ask myself how I ever got to accept being treated that way, and how I even believed this was what I deserved.

    I am so sorry for your mother. Unfortunately, Islam doesn't only make you view yourself as a walking sin, but forces you to view others that way too. If a lady in Hijab has no problem with seeing their own daughter a non-Hijabi, then per Islamic belief, she is still a sinner.

    Your mother is FORCED to see you that way, she hates it, but she has to. Poor thing... it's awful for her more than anything.

    Hope things are going well your way! I've also been away for quite a while, got back on here to catch up and look for your updates. :-)

    Talitha

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  7. We are all dissidents now (except for devout Muslims and their enablers), since Islam throws a chill over all of us with regard to free speech. That chill can't throw a U.S. citizen in prison, but it does hang real threats, both physical and social, over the heads of those who openly criticise Islam:

    Are the lights going out?

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  8. When you analyze the Koranic verses about Women then you see that it even authorizes a Muslim man to have a Muslim woman as his Slave.

    You are never going to hear THAT on TV.Here are the verses:

    "The Koran says a Muslim Man can have a Muslim Woman as his Slave"

    http://www.antisharia.com/2011/08/26/the-koran-says-a-muslim-man-can-have-a-muslim-woman-as-his-slave/

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  9. Now I know others will say:"The NT is just as Bad"

    What they mean is forbidding a woman to preach in a church..That would be it,that is the worst case.

    HOWEVER

    The Anglican ( also called the Episcopalian church),Lutheran,Methodist,Presbyterian and Pentecostal churches have women ministers.Here is why:

    http://www.avraidire.com/2010/06/can-women-preach-and-be-ministers-in-a-church/

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  10. AND ALSO

    "Answering the Muslim Accusation that 1 Peter says a Female Slave can be Raped"

    http://www.avraidire.com/2010/07/answering-a-muslim-accusationthat-1-peter-says-a-female-slave-can-be-raped/

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  11. Not much to say, but man that is just sick, sick, sick. And what makes it even worse are the enablers in the West. Those who swear by the by the idea of Islam being a "religion of peace." These people have just as much blood on their hands as the monsters who follow this hellish religion.

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  12. Dear Liberated One,

    Thank you for your writing and your bravery. I think it is difficult for some who advise you to move and live your life as a fully out woman who rejects Islam. They don’t understand the realities you live in.

    I am a very western man who has lived in Islamic countries for several years. I am returning now again for another year as well. I call a number of Muslims friends, close friends, as close as family from our associations, work and life together. I have stayed in their houses, played with their children and eaten at their tables. It is difficult to think of showing them my full thinking on the religion they practice. My horror at the way I have seen women are treated and read what is said in the Koran and Hadeeth. My friends are not fanatics but regular people for the most part who love their wives but for reason of family and the society they live in they stay silent or say nothing about the sickness they must see around them.

    Were I to tell them of my terrible opinion of their religion it would be difficult to ever talk to them again. For you the struggle must be so much more difficult as those who are most intimate and close are Muslim. I can only pray for you and hope you can find a way forward. I ask that you one favor- please don’t tell us more of who you are. I fear you might be caught and persecuted. I have known friends who lived in fear for their lives because they left Islam.

    Thank you again for your bravery.

    Brian

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    1. Yes I agree, be safe and leave that place as soon as you can.

      You are fortunately educated and not living in poverty. The condition of women who are poor and uneducated in Muslim countries would be really pitiable.

      But what is worse the defence that western women make, even feminists, of the veil. I had an argument with one over this issue. A woman from Jordan said she wore the full dress covering "voluntarily" and she was quite happy doing so. There was no compulsion for her to do so.

      This was seized by the western woman as the universal example of all Muslim women.

      I argued that was fine, though whether her choice was truly voluntary or dictated by her social and religious indoctrination was debatable, but what about the women who did not want to wear the veil but were not allowed to? Surely such women exist. And it is these women society should protect.

      Indeed if Muslim society truly protected such women, the veil would soon disappear.

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    2. The design of the Hijab indicates a strong fear of female expression, a stronger distrust of male self control and complete lack of concern for the comfort of another person. A more inappropriate attire considering the sweltering heat of the Arabia desert cannot be imagined. An equivalent of such an attire would be if the Eskimo women in the arctic were forced to weak two piece bikinis.
      The Hijab is also an instrument of subjugation and control. These women are locked up in an outfit which resembles a Victorian phone booth only to be taken out and used by the male and then kept locked again till further use.

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  13. Since you mentioned my name then at least have the manners to reply, blogger!
    Aisha was married 622 CE. When was she born??? Reference please?
    According to tabari ( who you like to quote) said it happened in 610 ce, before islam was revealed!
    How old is aisha?
    According to ibn ishaq ( who you like to quote) says aisha accepted islam shortly after it was revealed 12 years before she was married!
    How old is aisha now??
    Aisha was involved in the battle of badr 624 and uhud 625.
    According to the rules of war you had to be 15!
    How old is aisha now??
    According to miskat al Misabeh by abdullah al khatib Asma her older sister of 10 years died at the age of 100. 72 years after aishas wedding!
    How old is aisha now???
    Aisha consented the marriage, how old would that have been?
    Did abu bakr her father not agree to her consent! How old was aisha then???
    Sahi al bukhari it is written that aisha was a young girl when surah al quamar was revealed 9 years Befire her wedding. How old is aisha now???

    Surah luqman 31:6
    there are those that purchase idle hadiths without knowledge to mislead from the path of Allah and throw ridicule, for such there will be a humiliating penalty!

    I look forward to your response, blogger!

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    1. Aisha was married 622 CE. When was she born??? Ans: Tabari genrally is not sahih. The birth dates of Abu Bakr's daughters would be less well documented than the marriages details of the prophet.

      According to ibn ishaq ( who you like to quote) says aisha accepted islam shortly after it was revealed 12 years before she was married! Ans: To accept a religion we must assume that one must be old enough to understand what she is accepting. Let's assume she was at least 12 for this critieria which would make her at least 24 at the time of marriage which is very late by the standards of the day and contradicts the sahih haditha of her age and the playing with dolls and playing with her friends etc.

      Aisha was involved in the battle of badr 624 and uhud 625. ans: the age of 15 applied to the boys not to the bed warmers which was Aisha's reason for being there.

      According to miskat al Misabeh by abdullah al khatib Asma her older sister of 10 years died at the age of 100. ans: again you assume the absolute accuracy of this source over all the others that contradict it. At a time when certainty over someone's age in a relatively non literate society was questionable at best this factoid is unreliable.

      If aisha was a grown woman at the time of marriage why did Mo wait 3 years to consumate the marraige? Aisha was surprised and shocked at the news of the marraige. Consent? And consent of the father at that time was often done when the child is a newborn NOT an adult. The Majority of Muslim scholars agree to the age of Aisha and have done so for centuries. These arguments that you espouse here that counter the generally accepted age were only started in the early 20th century as the West started to reform it's views on women and started criticising Islam and are no more valid than those believed for centuries and also found in the sahih documentation.

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    2. So surah 31:6
      should be the last word of this issue!

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    3. And besides all of those arguments, all of the supposed sahih documentation were written many decades after the supposed death of Mo and many were compiled at a time when there was no living memory of any of the people involved. It was all based on an oral tradition that is hardly reliable and much could have already been mythologised by the time these societal memories were written down. There is no real evidence that Mohammad existed let alone Aisha. What was being recorded was societal standards and these standards were such that marraige at 6 and consummation at 9 were generally accepted norms as they are today in the Sharia principles of most schools of Islamic jurisprudence and accepted by many millions of Muslims today. Your argument against them is merely defensive at best and fallicious at worst. The only reason Muslims today call for an older age for consent and marriage is because of modern Western legal and moral influences NOT anything inherent in their own culture.

      Finally Sura 65 verse 4 talks about the waiting period a woman must wait before remarrying to ensure that the wmoan is not preganant with the first husband's child refers to those wives who have not yet menstrated clearly referring to prepubescent girls. This early marriage was validated in the Qur-an, so why the elborate denial of your "Prophet's" participation in it, if it is sanctioned and accepted by Allah?!!

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    4. So surah 31:6
      should be the last word of this issue!

      Why? I don't accept anything in your holy book as valid or even divinely derived (although I may be able to be convinced of the opposite), why should I accept this one?

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    5. anj, it seems I know more about the Quran than you do.

      1. A SURAH is a chapter of the Quran so 31:6 is VERSE not a SURAH!

      2. There is NO MENTION of HADITHS in 31:6. It says idle TALES NOT HADITHS. Indeed it could not have since Hadiths were compiled after Muhammad's death.

      3. The Sahih Hadiths are the authenticated sayings or acts of Muhammad. Though I might agree they are "idle tales", for a Muslim to call then such is sacrilegious.

      4. The Quran clearly allows pedophilia. The chapter 65 deals with divorce. Which can occur only after marriage.

      Verse 65:4 says "And for those of your women who have no hope of menstruation, if you doubt, the appointed period is three months – AND ALSO FOR THOSE WHO HAVE NOT YET HAD MENSTRUATION; and the appointed period for the pregnant women is up to the time they deliver their burden; and whoever fears Allah – Allah will create ease for him in his affairs."

      5. The Sahih Hadiths clearly say that Aisha was a 6 year old minor when the 53 year old Muhammad married her.

      Bukhari 58:236 "..Khadija died three years before the Prophet departed to Medina. He stayed there for two years or so and then he married 'aisha when she was a girl of six years of age, and he consumed that marriage when she was nine years old."

      Bukhari 62:64 "Narrated 'aisha: that the Prophet married her when she was six years old and he consummated his marriage when she was nine years old, and then she remained with him for nine years (i.e., till his death).

      Also Bukhari 62:65

      Shahih Muslim 8:3309, 3310, "..Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) married me when I was six years old, and I was admitted to his house at the age of nine..."

      3311 "a'isha (Allah be pleased with her) reported that Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him) married her when she was seven years old, and he was taken to his house as a bride when she was nine, and HER DOLLS WERE WITH HER; and when he (the Holy Prophet) died she was eighteen years old."

      Sunan AbuDawud 41:4915 "The Apostle of Allah (peace_be_upon_him) married me when I was seven or six. When we came to Medina, some women came. according to Bishr's version: Umm Ruman came to me when I was swinging. They took me, made me prepared and decorated me. I was then brought to the Apostle of Allah (peace_be_upon_him), and he took up cohabitation with me when I was nine..."

      6. Muhammad encouraged his followers to marry young girls for sexual pleasure

      Bukhari 59:382 "Allah's Apostle said to me, "Have you got married O Jabir?" I replied, "Yes." He asked "What, a virgin or a matron?" I replied, "Not a virgin but a matron." He said, "Why did you not marry a young girl who would have fondled with you?"

      Also 62:16 and 62:17 and many others

      Bukhari 58:214 "When I came from Ethiopia (to Medina), I was a young girl. Allah's Apostle made me wear a sheet having marks on it. Allah's Apostle was rubbing those marks with his hands saying, "Sanah! Sanah!" (i.e. good, good)."

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    6. As for age of Aisha at the time of marriage is concerned, it is very well settled. No Scholars other than blatantly lying apologists deny the obvious. Go ask any cleric from the middle east or subcontinent, they are all in agreement that Aisha was 6 at the time of marriage. If there are so many contradictions in your sources, how till the other day you people were screaming that, look, details of life of our prophet is so very well preserved quoting the same books in which you are now finding fault and disowning them one by one. First Ishaque than tabari than bukhari.
      Hope a day will come when you people will see the light and throw away the unholy Quran itself.

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  14. Liberated, please be careful about the personal information you post here. I cannot imagine what it's like for you right now, but I read almost daily the sufferings of those who are hated and persecuted because they do not conform to the will of Muhammad's alter ego, Allah.

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  15. How old was Aisha when Muhammad married her? Depends on which source you go to. It should be pointed out Muhammad was 54 yrs old when the marriage occurred.

    'A'isha (Allah be pleased with her) reported: Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him) married me when I was six years old, and I was admitted to his house when I was nine years old.- Sahih Muslim Book 008, Number 3310.

    She brought her dolls with her, as children do.

    'A'isha (Allah be pleased with her) reported that Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him) married her when she was seven years old, and he was taken to his house as a bride when she was nine, and her dolls were with her; and when he (the Holy Prophet) died she was eighteen years old. - Sahih Muslim Book 008, Number 3311.

    I wonder why Aisha became so sick that it made her hair fall down? Could it have been the thought of being married off to a man who was old enough to be her grandpa?

    Narrated Aisha:

    The Prophet engaged me when I was a girl of six (years). We went to Medina and stayed at the home of Bani-al-Harith bin Khazraj. Then I got ill and my hair fell down. Later on my hair grew (again) and my mother, Um Ruman, came to me while I was playing in a swing with some of my girl friends. She called me, and I went to her, not knowing what she wanted to do to me. She caught me by the hand and made me stand at the door of the house. I was breathless then, and when my breathing became Allright, she took some water and rubbed my face and head with it. Then she took me into the house. There in the house I saw some Ansari women who said, "Best wishes and Allah's Blessing and a good luck." Then she entrusted me to them and they prepared me (for the marriage). Unexpectedly Allah's Apostle came to me in the forenoon and my mother handed me over to him, and at that time I was a girl of nine years of age. - Sahih Bukhari Volume 5, Book 58, Number 234.

    Muslims say this is because she was going through puberty; at 6yrs old? She may very well have been terrified.

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    1. Again Hugh, this is merely what the Muslim sources say. Whether they reflect a true event or real person (for which there is little or no evidence)is not as important as the fact that the writers of the biographies and collectors of the Haditha had absolutely NO problem with the supposed age of Aisha or else they would have found a way to discard these Haditha as they did tens of thousands other Haditha that they didn't think were valid.

      That THEY felt their were true and accurate is condemnation enough and shows very clearly that this was common practice backed up by Holy Writ.

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  16. So all the hadiths can't be right! I've quoted bukhari, tabari, ibn ishaq too!
    So how old was aisha?????

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    1. Anj,
      You are oblivious. The hadiths clearly state that Aisha was 6 when the marriage contrat was written and that she was 9 when Mo had sex with her. Stop denying it.

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    2. At best you can say the age of Aisha at the time of marriage was uncertain as NONE of the hadith can be trusted as representing any kind of real history.

      The only thing that is certain is that marriage at a young age was standard practice at the time (as it was in Western cultures at that same time as well).

      And the other certainty that can be stated is that marriage at this young age continues to be a accepted standard in Sharia Jurisprudence AND practiced in many Muslim societies today. This alone make all your arguments to the age of Aisha rather moot.

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  17. @sab
    65:4 states does not imply that at all! Come on you can do better than that!
    "lam yahidna" the word you are tryingto break down is negates mensuration and is in the past tense jussative mode! That means "did not mensurate" with the expectation that women DO mensurate in their natural state!
    So you are wrong in your analysis of it!

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    1. It is not MY analysis of this at all but the analysis of many Scholarly commentaries (Tafsir) from your own Islamic theologians.

      Sayyid Abul Ala Maududi stated on this topic: "Therefore, making mention of the waiting-period for the girls who have not yet menstruated, clearly proves that it is not only permissible to give away the girl in marriage at this age but it is also permissible for the husband to consummate marriage with her."

      Not MY analysis at all! And this is NOT the only Tafsir that states this.

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    2. Also Shaykh Muhammad ibn ‘Uthaymeen, Majmoo’at As’ilah tahumm al-Usrah al-Muslimah

      "And those of your women as have passed the age of monthly courses, for them the Iddah (prescribed period), if you have doubt (about their periods), is three months; and for those who have no courses (i.e. they are still immature) their Iddah (prescribed period) is three months likewise."

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    3. And as well Ibn Kathir

      "Her `Iddah is three months instead of the three monthly cycles for those who menstruate, which is based upon the Ayah in (Surat) Al-Baqarah. [see 2:228] The same for the young, who have not reached the years of menstruation. Their `Iddah is three months like those in menopause. This is the meaning of His saying."

      Are you now going to tell us that Ibn Kathir is NOT a valid Tafsir?

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    4. And YOUR favorite Tabari thrown in for good measure:

      "and for those who have no courses (i.e. they are still immature) their 'Iddah (prescribed period) is three months likewise". He said: The same applies to the 'idaah for girls who do not menstruate because they are too young, if their husbands divorce them after consummating the marriage with them."

      So This is NOT how it's been interpreted for centuries????

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  18. According to the blogger she comes from a religious family and her parents and brothers are religious.
    So blogger tell us how does your dad treat your mum? She is a woman after all!
    How do your brothers treat your mum, or their wives?
    According to you women are treated badly in islam. Then surely if your family is religious then you would have seen it on your family???

    Blogger?

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    1. Anj "According to the blogger she comes from a religious family and her parents and brothers are religious.
      So blogger tell us how does your dad treat your mum?"

      Anj One swallow does not a summer make. There are many Muslim men who treat their wives well and many Christian and other non-Muslim men who treat their wives badly. But this has nothing to do with their religious teachings but rather the innate character of the individuals.

      But the general character of humans is also shaped by their cultural and religious beliefs. And there is rampant abuse of women in Islam due to these beliefs. The Sharia is the prime legalised instrument of abuse in Islam. This is specially so in the case of adultery, rape, child marriages, female genital mutilation and "honour" killings.

      The fact is that Islam teaches that women are the property of men, the same as cattle or fields or plots of land or any other property and they can be beaten by their husbands.

      Just because Liberated ones mother accepts the Hijab doesnt mean that instrument and symbol of control is necessarily good.

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  19. sab of the dar al Haarb,

    "Aisha was married 622 CE. When was she born??? Ans: Tabari genrally is not sahih."

    It's quite amusing when Muslims (like "anj") pull out Tabari and Ibn Ishaq to prove their sophistical points; but whenever we use Tabari or Ibn Ishaq, suddenly those sources become "unreliable". The bargain-basement sophistry and juvenile logic involved is so transparent, it's positively painfully embarrassing.

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  20. sab,

    "At best you can say the age of Aisha at the time of marriage was uncertain as NONE of the hadith can be trusted as representing any kind of real history."

    Sure -- abstractly, hypothetically, theoretically. But the point is that Bukhari is authoritative and one solid basis for all Islamic schools of law; and that he is deemed by all mainstream Sunni Muslims (who constitute over 80% of all Muslims) to be such. It doesn't matter what "could be" the case about his reliability. What matters is what Muslims think about it. And Bukhari not just once, but several times, says Aisha was 6 when Mohammed married her, and was 9 when he fucked her in the vagina (i.e., nikah). In fact, the reader "Traeh" has documented that Aisha was likely age 8, not 9, when Muhammad fucked her, because the calculations were done by lunar years.

    See: http://quotingislam.blogspot.com/2011/06/canonical-hadiths-say-muhammad-in-his.html?utm_source=BP_recent

    and:

    http://quotingislam.blogspot.com/2011/06/had-aisha-reached-puberty-at-age-9-when.html?utm_source=BP_recent

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    1. "Sure -- abstractly, hypothetically, theoretically."

      I agree with your points above but I would add to this list: realistically, actually and factually as well. Muslims live in a fantasy world of their own making and very little truth or facts will shake them from their untenable position.

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    3. Hesperado,

      The key word there is dakhala, which means penetrate, enter, etc. It's less ambiguous than nikah.

      I welcome any of the Arab-speaking readers to comment on this.

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  21. That's weak even by your standards hesp!
    If I has wrote to the blogger that her sources were considered weak and not part of the 6 authentic books. You would have bleated about that. I didn't hear you tell the blogger about her sources.
    So I used the same sources and now you whine that they are weak.
    I also gave you a sahih Hadith from bukhari too just to shut you up!
    I'm afraid your intellectual deciet is transparent and clearly embarassing!
    You got anything else then let's hear it!!!!

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  22. http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2012/01/imam-islam-arrested-for-raping-8-year-old-.html

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  23. I agree with the comment by Hugh,Liberated you should NOT give out more ersonal information,it could endanger you.But you could give us your ideas about the current events in the Middle East.

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  24. On Ayesha's age at consummation of the marriage, according to the Islamic texts, here is Shaykh Gibril F Haddad's response to apologetics [1] [2]

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  25. Canonical hadiths say Muhammad (in his fifties) consummated his marriage to Aisha when she was nine (lunar) years old.

    A lunar year is about 355 days long, which means that Aisha may have been several months short of her ninth birthday.

    Some examples from Bukhari, the most canonical hadith collection:

    Sahih al-Bukhari, Volume 7, Book 62, Number 64:

    Narrated 'Aisha:

    that the Prophet married her when she was six years old and he consummated his marriage when she was nine years old, and then she remained with him for nine years (i.e., till his death).

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    Sahih al-Bukhari, Volume 7, Book 62, Number 65:

    Narrated 'Aisha:

    that the Prophet married her when she was six years old and he consummated his marriage when she was nine years old. Hisham said: I have been informed that 'Aisha remained with the Prophet for nine years (i.e. till his death)."


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    Sahih al-Bukhari, Volume 7, Book 62, Number 88:

    Narrated 'Ursa:

    The Prophet wrote the (marriage contract) with 'Aisha while she was six years old and consummated his marriage with her while she was nine years old and she remained with him for nine years (i.e. till his death).


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    Sahih al-Bukhari, Volume 5, Book 58, Number 236:

    Narrated Hisham's father:

    Khadija died three years before the Prophet departed to Medina. He stayed there for two years or so and then he married 'Aisha when she was a girl of six years of age, and he consumed that marriage when she was nine years old.

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  26. Had Aisha reached puberty at age 9 when Muhammad, in his fifties, consummated the marriage with her? No, she had not. Core Islamic texts say that

    1) dolls are only permitted to prepubescent children; and

    2) Aisha's dolls were with her when she was taken to Muhammad's house as a bride


    Dolls are permitted only to prepubescent children:

    From Sahih al-Bukhari, a canonical hadith collection:

    Volume 8, Book 73, Number 151:

    Narrated 'Aisha:

    I used to play with the dolls in the presence of the Prophet, and my girl friends also used to play with me. When Allah's Apostle used to enter (my dwelling place) they used to hide themselves, but the Prophet would call them to join and play with me. (The playing with the dolls and similar images is forbidden, but it was allowed for 'Aisha at that time, as she was a little girl, not yet reached the age of puberty.) (Fateh-al-Bari page 143, Vol.13)

    (The parenthetical statement is not mine -- it's in University of Southern California's Sahih al-Bukhari online, as you can see by clicking on the link above.)


    Aisha's dolls were with her when she was taken to Muhammad's house as a bride:

    From Sahih Muslim, a canonical hadith collection:

    Book 008, Number 3311:

    'A'isha (Allah be pleased with her) reported that Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him) married her when she was seven years old, and she was taken to his house as a bride when she was nine, and her dolls were with her; and when he (the Holy Prophet) died she was eighteen years old.

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  27. Islamic scholars' explanations of Qur'an 65:4 show that the verse assumes consummation of marriage with prepubescent girls

    Before quoting the scholars on Quran 65:4, it should be noted that Quran 33:49 lays down that when a divorced female is to marry a new spouse, a waiting period is required only if the previous marriage was consummated. The scholars I will be quoting below all know this.  One of them, Maududi, mentions and explains it.

    With that in mind, first consider Ibn Abbas, a companion of Muhammad, and one of many authorities who affirm that Qur'an 65:4 refers to the waiting period for prepubescent girls to remarry after divorce.

    Ibn Abbas on Qur'an 65:4

    (And for such of your women as despair of menstruation) because of old age, (if ye doubt) about their waiting period, (their period (of waiting) shall be three months) upon which another man asked: “O Messenger of Allah! What about the waiting period of those who do not have menstruation because they are too young?” (along with those who have it not) because of young age, their waiting period is three months. Another man asked: “what is the waiting period for those women who are pregnant?” (And for those with child) i.e. those who are pregnant, (their period) their waiting period (shall be till they bring forth their burden) their child. (And whosoever keepeth his duty to Allah) and whoever fears Allah regarding what he commands him, (He maketh his course easy for him) He makes his matter easy; and it is also said this means: He will help him to worship Him well.

    Some eight hundred years later appeared the Tafsir al-Jalalayn, one of the most widely used interpretations of the Qur'an. Tafsir al-Jalalayn also tells us that Qur'an 65:4 speaks of waiting period for divorce of prepubescent girls:

    And [as for] those of your women who (read allā’ī or allā’i in both instances) no longer expect to menstruate, if you have any doubts, about their waiting period, their prescribed [waiting] period shall be three months, and [also for] those who have not yet menstruated, because of their young age, their period shall [also] be three months — both cases apply to other than those whose spouses have died; for these [latter] their period is prescribed in the verse: they shall wait by themselves for four months and ten [days] [Q. 2:234]. And those who are pregnant, their term, the conclusion of their prescribed [waiting] period if divorced or if their spouses be dead, shall be when they deliver. And whoever fears God, He will make matters ease for him, in this world and in the Hereafter.

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  28. Just figured out what anj is.

    Anj is two posters: the mohammadan and the fat Western broad screwing it.

    The posts calling everyone "haters" and the one screeching about "marrying a Western man" are made by the fat broad the ones here are made by the goat herder that has the fatty convinced "olds and fats are sexy."

    The hater posts are by a native speaker. The posts on this thread are terrible with atrocious misuse of prepositions. Mistakes non-native English speakers always make but ones native speakers don't make unless they have a learning or speech disability.

    This tag-team crap is quite common with musloids and their fatties. The fatties tend to stay away from the women and islam topics instead sending their goat herders to spew the requisite "out of context" and "not authentic sources." If the tubbies do post on such topics they generally just screech about being treated like "queens" and how much they're "luuurrvvveed" by their goat herders.

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  29. (continued from comment above)

    Islamic scholars' explanations of Qur'an 65:4 show that the verse assumes consummation of marriage with prepubescent girls

    65:4, according to Wahidi's respected explanation of the Qur'an:

    (And for such of your women as despair of menstruation…) [65:4]. Said Muqatil: “When the verse (Women who are divorced shall wait, keeping themselves apart…), Kallad ibn al-Nu‘man ibn Qays al-Ansari said: ‘O Messenger of Allah, what is the waiting period of the woman who does not menstruate and the woman who has not menstruated yet? And what is the waiting period of the pregnant woman?’ And so Allah, exalted is He, revealed this verse”. Abu Ishaq al-Muqri’ informed us> Muhammad ibn ‘Abd Allah ibn Hamdun> Makki ibn ‘Abdan> Abu’l-Azhar> Asbat ibn Muhammad> Mutarrif> Abu ‘Uthman ‘Amr ibn Salim who said: “When the waiting period for divorced and widowed women was mentioned in Surah al-Baqarah, Ubayy ibn Ka‘b said: ‘O Messenger of Allah, some women of Medina are saying: there are other women who have not been mentioned!’ He asked him: ‘And who are they?’ He said: ‘Those who are too young [such that they have not started menstruating yet], those who are too old [whose menstruation has stopped] and those who are pregnant’. And so this verse (And for such of your women as despair of menstruation…) was revealed”.

    The bracketed text is not me, it's in the Wahidi at Altafsir.com

    Ibn Kathir is perhaps the Muslim world's most respected Quran expositor.

    Kathir says of 65:4

    Allah the Exalted clarifies the waiting period of the woman in menopause. And that is the one whose menstruation has stopped due to her older age. Her `Iddah [waiting period before remarriage] is three months instead of the three monthly cycles for those who menstruate, which is based upon the Ayah [verse] in (Surat) Al-Baqarah. (see Qur'an 2:228) The same for the young, who have not reached the years of menstruation. Their `Iddah [waiting period before remarriage] is three months like those in menopause. This is the meaning of His [Allah's] saying;[Qur'an 65:4] (and for those who have no courses...)

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  30. (continued from comment above)

    Islamic scholars' explanations of Qur'an 65:4 show that the verse assumes consummation of marriage with prepubescent girls

    Syed Abul Ala Maududi (died 1979), another famous Qur'an expositor, says of Qur’an 65:4:

    Here, one should bear in mind the fact that according to the explanations given in the Quran the question of the waiting period arises in respect of the women with whom marriage may have been consummated, for there is no waiting-period in case divorce is pronounced before the consummation of marriage. (Al-Ahzab: 49). Therefore, making mention of the waiting-period for the girls who have not yet menstruated, clearly proves that it is not only permissible to give away the girl in marriage at this age but it is also permissible for the husband to consummate marriage with her. Now, obviously no Muslim has the right to forbid a thing which the Quran has held as permissible.

    * * *

    So major Muslim expositors of the Quran agree that Quran 65:4 assumes and supports consummation of marriage with prepubescent girls. These expositors know what Maududi above mentions: per Quran 33:49, a waiting period before remarriage is only required if the dissolved marriage was consummated.

    And many Muslim translations of 65:4 make absolutely clear that it refers to remarriage of prepubescent girls. (See for example these translations: Al-Muntakahb, Abdel Haleem, Abdul Majid Daryabadi, Aisha Bewley, Ali Quli Qara'i, Muhammad Mahmoud Ghali, Muhammad Taqi Usmani.)

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    1. Traeh

      Well documented and researched.

      But As I said above the most telling thing is that the collectors of the Haditha, Commenators of the Tafsir and the Writers of the biographies saw nothing wrong with any of this which is the most strong indication that this was NOT surprising to them and they stated no condemnation or censure of their prophet for doing this.

      It was thus common at the time AND justified by the Holy scriptures thus an accepted part of the nature and practice of Islam.

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  31. It matters not what the infidel or taqiyyist says, it's what the early followers of Islam taught.

    "In the Name of Allah, the Most Beneficent, the Most Merciful

    INTRODUCTION

    REGARDING IMAM BUKHARI AND HIS BOOK (SAHIH-AL-BUKHARI)

    It has been unanimously agreed that Imam Bukhari's work is the most authentic of all the other works in Hadith literature put together. The authenticity of Al-Bukhari's work is such that the religious learned scholars of Islam said concerning him: "The most authentic book after the Book of Allah (i.e. Al-Qur'an) is Sahih-Al-Bukhari."

    xvi INTRODUCTION
    "It was a great task for him to sift the forged Hadiths from the authentic ones. He laboured day and night and although he had memorised such a large number he only chose approximately 7275 of which there is no doubt about their authenticity.

    Before he recorded each Hadith, he would make ablution and offer a two Rakat prayer and supplicate his Lord (Allah). Many religious scholars of Islam tried to find fault in the great remarkable collection of `Sahih-Al-Bukhari' but without success. It's for this reason they unanimously agreed that the most authentic book after the Book of Allah is Sahih-Al-Bukhari."

    Dr. Muhammad Muhsin Khan
    Islamic University
    Medina AI-Munawwara
    (Saudi Arabia)

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    1. hugh watt,

      Do you have a link for that excerpt?

      Thanks,
      Hesp

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    3. Hesperado, here's a link to the first paragraph quoted by Hugh Watt:

      Para 1 of Intro to Summarized Sahih Al-Bukhari

      Here's a link to the two other paragraphs Hugh Watt quoted:

      Paras 8 and 9 of Intro to Summarized Sahih Al-Bukhari

      (I pasted a sentence from Hugh Watt's Khan quote right into the google search box, and a whole bunch of sites appeared that quote the same passage.)

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    4. Thanks Traeh,

      Unfortunately, while it's of a certain degree of value to have a statement like that written by someone who is ostensibly a "Dr." (professor) at "Islamic University, Al-Madinah Al-Munawwarah", that by itself doesn't establish that what he claims is accurate. Armed with this link, the best we could do is say, "Look, here's a Muslim professor in Saudi Arabia who says that Bukhari is of utmost authority in Islam", to which many would say "Well, he's just one man, and anyway, he could be a "Wahhabi" or some kind of extremist, not representing the majority" etc. We also don't know what kind of institution this "university" is -- even Al-Azhar is not really a university in the strict sense, but an overblown madrassah.

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  32. So the Islamic apologists are silent now?

    Good job, fellow inhabitants of the dar al Haarb!

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    1. Are you surprised? They're grasping at straws! :D

      Of all the overwhelmingly incriminating quotes that Shalika leveled at the mohamedans, all they could do is challenge the definitiveness of Ayesha's age. How pathetic is that?!

      Way to go anj, you infinitely wise and fearless defender of islam! (must be getting weary hey? At least OJ Simpson's lawyer was getting paid, but you OTOH, you poor old fool... :D)

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    2. "Are you surprised?"

      Not in the least! It is rare to see a cogent argument from an Islamist that can't be effectively countered by true facts.

      The only real strategy that works for the Islamist is violence, the threat of violence and terror as all reasoned arguments of their tend to be tu quoque, personal attack or based totally in fantasy. Nothing with real substance.

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    3. @sab
      calm down! put your Johnson back it's cage!
      Just going through the millions of references given by the copy and paste merchant!

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    4. Oh, I forgot to add rude sexual comments to the list of strategies.

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    5. Hesp

      http://www.muhammadanism.org/Hadith/Bukhari/pi.htm

      Just to throw in a freebie from p.29.

      1) The souls of the martyrs are in the bodies of green birds dwelling in paradise wherever they like. p.xxix JIHAD

      Muslims men believe they will go to Jannah if they are martyred where they will then be rewarded with sex and wine. Perhaps anj or one of the Muslims who visit this site would explain how if, "the souls of the martyrs are in the bodies of green birds dwelling in paradise," they are able to enjoy the houris? I can get my head around the drinking wine part, just a dip of a beak in a glass and away you go. But for the life of me I just can't figure out the sex between a green bird and houris! I know we're moving into the "birds and the bees" territory, but do enlighten me.

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    6. @Sab

      Oh that's nothing. You should hear what they say to kaffir women in a lame attempt "win the argument." Or when they get angry for being told to shove off.

      They really are weak egoed creatures. It's a wonder most of them live past puberty.

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  33. Islam is the only religion in this world that give most respectable rights to women. There is true equality between male and female, there are more rights of wife, daughter, mother and sister in Islam than the rights of brother, husband, father and son.
    That liberals are shameful who just sexually exploit women with the name of liberalism.

    Ayesha from online Quran Tutor

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    1. So says the sexually abused 6 year old!

      Most victims of sexual abuse defend their abusers. Not out of respect but out of fear.

      And aisha, islam's first victim of predatory rape and abuse, is besided the point as is liberalism.

      No one is forcing your troglodytes to be "liberal." We're telling you primitives to keep your primitive culture, goals and persons out of the West.

      You're free to rape, sodomize, kill, intimidated, beat and generally abuse each other while crowing about how respectful you are in your various crapistans.

      When you troglodytes bring it to our shores, then we've got a problem and the little trollop aisha has nothing to do with it.

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    2. HAAAAHAHAHAHAH... always amusing to witness a mohamedan getting his arse handed back to him by Istanbul_Chick :D

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    3. Complete and utter nonsense. All part of the Big Lie. Did you read Mein Kampf and other writings of the same author? Your strategy is in there somewhere. That author too was a great fan of your religion and thought that it would have suited his purposes only for the misfortune of being born in a peace minded Christian based society.

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    4. So, here is a perfect example of the dualistic nonsense that Liberated has escaped:

      "There is true equality between male and female"

      and at the same time...

      "there are more right of wife, daughter, mother and sister in Islam than there rights of brother, husband, father, and son."

      Let's conduct an experiment. Let's see if Bilal Abbasi can spot the problem. I know all you kaf i r get it right away, but just let's see now.

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  34. Thanks hugh watt,

    Your link adds more info -- namely that a committee of three Muslims approved of this translation of Bukhari by "Dr. Muhammed Muhsin Khan" (and presumably approved of his glowing and sweeping introduction); the three being:

    Shakir Nasif Al-Ubaydi, graduate of Vanderbilt University (U.S.A.) and currently "teacher of English" at a "Baghdad University and College" in Mecca, Saudi Arabia

    Dr. Mahmud Hamad Nasr, graduate of Khartum University (one presumes in Egypt), and now apparently "Physician" at King Hospital in Medina, Saudi Arabia

    and

    Dr. Muhammad Taqiy-ad-Din Al-Hilali, Ph.D. from Berlin University in Germany, now professor at Muhammad V University in Morocco as well as at Islamic University in Medina (the latter the same university, apparently, where the translator is at)

    with a final imprimatur granted by a Muhammad Amin Al-Misri, Ph.D. from Cambridge University (England one presumes), now Advisor and Head of the Shari'a Department at the College of Shari'a and Islamic Studies at Mecca Al-Mukarrama.

    For some reason, Prof. Al-Misri writes the name of Dr. Mahmud Hamad Nasr as Dr. Mahmud Hamad As-Sudani (perhaps denoting that he's Sudanese).

    Anyway, this added information certainly helps to a degree to bolster the cred of the claims of the translator's introduction. I still would like to see a hell of a lot more, however. From "universities" (more than one, and proved to be major, not just some bamboo warehouse madrassah in the sticks) in at least 50 Muslim countries; from the main Ulemas (body of legal scholars) of every Muslim country; from polls taken of Muslims in charge of fiqh (Islamic law on the ground) throughout the Muslim world; etc.

    Not that I personally need any of this to strengthen my condemnation of Muslims. I've already damned all Muslims long ago. But apparently we need hammers of data of sufficient weight and quantity to get through the thick skulls of our fellow Westerners. And sorry, but one book with a foreword by a handful of Muslim academics just ain't gonna cut it.

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  36. Hadith reports about Muhammad and his companions: Why are certain collections considered essential by maintream Muslim scholars of Islam?

    In the Qur'an, "Allah" says at least 25 times that Muhammad is to be obeyed.

    That is one reason why most Muslim scholars of Islam accept the Bukhari hadiths and a few other hadith collections as authoritative for Muslims: canonical hadiths show what Muhammad did and said, permitted and forbade.

    "Hadith is nothing but a reflection of the personality of the Prophet, who is to be obeyed at every cost."

    That statement can be found on many, many Islamic sites on the web, including this one.

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    "It is impossible to understand the Qur'an without reference to the Hadith..."

    The above statement used to be at islamonline.net.  The quote can now be found at many places on the web, including here.

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    "The overwhelming majority of Muslims consider hadith to be essential supplements to and clarifications of the Qur'an, Islam's holy book, as well as in clarifying issues pertaining to Islamic jurisprudence."

    -- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hadith#Usage

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  37. Traeh,

    Still, that doesn't sufficiently help in bolstering the claim that any given particular hadith (out of a jungle of thousands) is:

    a) authoritative

    and

    b) believed by a sufficient mass of Muslims around the world to be relevant to us being alarmed at Muslims.

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  38. This is comedy gold! All the bigots and phobes are tumbling over themselves to prove the authenticity of the 6 hadith books!!!!!! Great job!
    Still no age and loads of evidence of maturity before consummation!

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    1. It's up to Muslims to prove or disprove what is authentic or not.

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  39. Islam is hell for women, but it also denies happiness to men. Islam, by teaching men to dominate and subjugate women, makes it impossible for them to find true love, which depends on equality and mutual respect. Under Islam, women are prisoners and men are prison wardens. The only ones who enjoy such a situation are a few pathological men, of which Muhammad himself was the foremost example.

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    1. Bullshit! :-D

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    2. whoa anj, what a cogent, convincing and well-balanced argument you present here!

      Your infinite wisdom and deep knowledge never cease to amaze me, you fearless defender of islam!

      :D

      Whoosh.....that's irony flying over the head of anj!

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  40. Just copied and pasted kafir ibn response!
    whoosh ...... That's irony kicking you where the sun don't shine!

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  41. Just copied and pasted kafir ibn response!
    whoosh ...... That's irony kicking you where the sun don't shine!

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    1. Actually no, you're copying from me... geez even when they plagiarize, the poor mohamedan can't get it right. Just like mohamad (phbbbt) who stole from the Bible but confused Myriam, the mother of Jesus with the sister of Moses :D

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    2. BTW you said: whoosh ...... That's irony kicking you where the sun don't shine!


      Dude you're the one with your arse up in the air 5 times a day!

      :D

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  42. Examination of the amateurish dawa site suggested by Bilal confirms that bullshit was detected correctly.
    There's no controversy.

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  43. anj BTW, how about you start answering my questions about islam? Come on, help a genuine seeker of truth here, oh you great defender of islam and rassool allah!

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  44. Oh anj I almost forgot: rabbi Cohen (pbuh) the illiterate messenger who's name is found in the Torah, says hi! :-)

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  45. Robert Spencer debated Mustafa Zayed on "Islam Guarantees Women Equality of Rights with Men" in August last year. I transcribed the debate here. I included videos of the debate along with links to blog posts and discussions about the debate in Jihad Watch, Answering Muslims, and The Lies about Muhammad (Zayed's blog).

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  46. I want to help these women. How can I help?

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  47. While I've long been familiar with Islam's tyranny over women, I'd never seen the Tabari quote (IX:131) before.Your blog are really very nice and informative.Thanks for share it.Herbal Remedies

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  48. H - I am male - 54 - used to be Irish Catholic. In my sincere experience I have one sincere love - that of seeing the end of religious intolerance. Might be easy to meet with a christian and argue principle - but when does the Muslim argue reason? Islaam is a threat to decency - it is intolerant - it tells my children they are less than worthy. Are my daughters worthy of the beheading that Islaam dictates, oops I am wrong - stoning - if either of them might have exerienced the loss of their hymen in play?

    Does an accidently ruptured hymen qualify as good enuf reason to stone a child to death?

    Islaam will die faster than Christianity - cos most of those labelled muslim actually want to live beyond pure SHIT

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  49. I am male. 54 and thiest. All religions subjugate women. -Throw away religion

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  50. Nice article Of course the status of women in Islam is most respectful and full of dignity as Islamic women represent their culture and values to the society.

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  51. You are all ignorant and there will come a day where you will regret all that you have said but it will be too late then. Prophet Mohammed peace be upon him is the greatest man ever to live. You insulting him will not change that or make true muslims think like you.I sincerely hope that Allah swt blesses you and guides you to the right path before it is too late.

    If muslim beliefs don't tickle your fancy then merely ignore them, we do not need you to feel sorry for us or try to liberate us ( because we are more liberated than you). We are more than happy and love our lord our prophet our Quran our Hijab and all thing Islam.

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  52. Thank God for women like you!

    YOU will be the means of freeing your people from the CANCER of Mohammedanism!

    May God protect you & keep you safe!

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