Sunday, January 15, 2012

A Psychoanalysis of MO

If you read the biography of Mo in detail, you would realize that he was not exactly mentally stable. In fact, if he lived today, he would have been any physician’s nightmare…Do you have any idea the number of Phobias and Compulsive disorders that Mo suffered from? Here is my own psychoanalysis of the world's most influential person: Mohammed, the prophet of Islam.

A short list of his phobias:

Alliumphobia - Fear of garlic…. Hence the hadeeth which says that men should not go to the mosque to pray after eating garlic (and here we were all assuming he was a vampire).

Aurophobia - Fear of gold…Ha! Now we know why men are not supposed to wear gold in Islam. I wonder there is a phobia of silk as well.

Automysophobia - Fear of being dirty…..Ok, that explains the obsession of bathing, wiping your ass, shaving your armpits and pubic area and making wudu 5 times a day. And yes, bathing after sex.

Aviophobia or Aviatophobia - Fear of flying…..Hence the nightmare in which he flew on a donkey/mule to heaven.

Bibliophobia - Fear of books....Probably why he never learnt to read and write, even after he supposedly received divine inspiration. Come on, he had 23 years and he would not learn to read and write. Quite simply, he had a fear of books.

Catagelophobia
- Fear of being ridiculed….That explains why people were killed and are still being killed if they even dare to ridicule him – Blasphemy laws, aka Catagelophobia….

Cynophobia - Fear of dogs…. Now this is really cruel. He commanded to kill all the poor innocent dogs, especially the black ones, because they are actually the devil….?????

Demonophobia or Daemonophobia - Fear of demons AND Wiccaphobia - Fear of witches and witchcraft….This precisely explains his acute fear of genies and goblins and witches and evil spirits, and the suras about jinns, black magic, evil eye and demons and God knows what….Are we really talking about an adult male here????

Geliophobia - Fear of laughter….He almost never laughed and told his followers that laughing loudly is the work of Satan.

Christianophobia - fear/dislike of Christians AND Judeophobia – fear/dislike of Jews. No explanation required… LOL

Gynephobia or Gynophobia - Fear of women…. Hence the hadeeth saying that majority of the residents of hell would be women….

Hadephobia - Fear of hell….Yeah, we all know that. There is no doubt that he was totally obsessed with it.

Homophobia - Fear of sameness, monotony or of homosexuality, or of becoming homosexual….He probably feared them to death. That is why ordered all homosexuals to be killed. Makes perfect sense, doesn’t it?

Levophobia - Fear of things to the left side of the body AND Sinistrophobia - Fear of things to the left or left-handed.…. Now this is a very interesting one. I always used to wonder why Islam is so particular about it. Walk into a mosque with your right foot, eat with your right hand, and pass the plate to the right side first… Do everything with your right hand except wiping your butt after defecating….

Melanophobia - Fear of the color black….So now you know why on the judgment day, all the sinners’ faces would turn black and the pious ones’ would be white. He often made fun of the black slaves, and even compared them to raisin heads...He even ordered to kill all black dogs and said even the black cats are evil…Call it whatever, but I call it racism…

Melophobia - Fear or hatred of music….You must be kidding me? And the poor people have been depriving themselves of music for the last 14 centuries because MO said it's haram and the work of Satan…

Menophobia - Fear of menstruation….He said it is a disease from God for all women. It explains his hatred for menstruation and also for women.

Methyphobia - Fear of alcohol…My guess is he feared alcohol and made it haram just because he wanted to control the minds of all Muslim men and women. If alcohol was permitted, it would have controlled their minds instead. He wanted the fear of hell, the goal of heaven and the aim to get there (Jihad) to be on their minds 24x7, and he feared that intoxication might make them forget their mission momentarily. … See, I always said he was a smart SOB….

Nyctophobia - Fear of the dark or of night AND Nyctohylophobia - Fear of dark wooded areas or of forests at night….. That is why he made up that cock & bull story about jinns and demons roaming around in such places….

Pyrophobia - Fear of fire….Or rather, obsession with fire and hell…

Satanophobia - Fear of Satan….Yeah, he feared him so much that he actually believed Satan put verses in his mouth…

Urophobia - Fear of urine or urinating….Aha.. Now I get it, the meaning of that hadeeth in which he passed by a grave and said the person in this grave is being tormented because he was very careless with his urine, that is, he did not clean himself well after urinating….

Gosh, this man is getting more and more complicated, isn’t he? Ok, enough with the phobias. Now let’s dwell on his OCD – Obsessive Compulsive Disorder….

Catapedamania - Obsession with jumping from high places .... Remember, he wanted to jump off the cliff several times when he supposedly saw and spoke to Gabrael.

Dacnomania - Obsession with killing. Come on, you don't really need an explanation for this one.

Entheomania - Abnormal belief that one is divinely inspired ..... In other words, having a very vivid imagination.

Erotomania - Abnormally powerful sex drive .... 13 wives, innumerable sex slaves / concubines. And don't forget, he used to have sex with all of them in one night....

Flagellomania - Abnormal enthusiasm for flogging....  100 lashes for adultery.

Gamomania - Obsession with issuing odd marriage proposals .... Yeah, odd, as in proposing that his son divorce his wife so that he can get married to his daughter in-law, and REALLY ODD, marrying his best friend’s six year old baby girl when he was 53 years old… You can’t get any odder than that, MO.

Gynaecomania - Abnormal sexual obsession with women.... I think everyone everyone is aware about this abnormality, because there absolutely nothing normal about having sex with 9 women in one night.

Arithmomania - Obsessive preoccupation with numbers.... 5 prayers, 3 times washing your hands and face while making ablution. Saying his praise 33 times each after each prayer. 7 circumambulations around the Kaaba. 7 times safa marwa... Reading ayatal kursi 7 times. Cleaning your butt with an odd number of stones. Drinking water in 3 gulps. Spitting three times on seeing a bad dream. There are so many such eccentricities associated with numbers.

Mythomania - Lying or exaggerating to an abnormal extent... Oh yes, our MO takes all awards for this category. No one could lie and exaggerate better than he could. He should definitely get the Oscars for best story writing.

Necromania - Sexual obsession with dead bodies; necrophilia.... Didn’t he sleep with his dead aunt once? This guy is getting creepier by the day.

Opsomania - Abnormal love for one kind of food.... Dates, dates and dates.

Phonomania - Pathological tendency to murder... But in this case, not just murder, but murder by torture...

Polemomania - Mania for war.... Wars, battles, raids, whatever you call them, but our bandit MO sure had a penchant for those....

Pyromania - Craze for starting fires.... Yeah, he sure had a thing for setting fires. He once said that he wished he could set all those houses on fire whose residents did not show up at the mosque to pray. And if I remember correctly, he once set a mosque on fire and burnt everyone inside alive.

Sebastomania - Religious insanity.... Well, this kind of insanity still exists in most of Mo's followers for the past 14 centuries...

Well, I guess it would be safe to say that had MO not been there, probably these mental disorders would not even have been discovered. The science of Psychiatry is highly indebted to Mohammed, the prophet of Islam, for giving them so much of study material. How about setting up a mental asylum in his name???





109 comments:

  1. You go girl! Good on ya :-)

    As usual though, expect the mohamedan mob to come after you with insults, threats, sarcasm and berating swipes. I stand by my observation that they are like chimpanzees who when something disturbs them, go berserk, jump up and down screaming and throwing faeces all over their cage.

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  2. BTW Shakila,

    Funny you should say "The science of Psychiatry is highly indebted to Mohammed, the prophet of Islam, for giving them so much of study material. How about setting up a mental asylum in his name???"

    Well guess what, an English translation of hadith sahih muslim refers to the residents of the islamic paradise as inmates! :D

    sahih muslim 39:6798:
    Narrated Jabir ibn Abdullah: I heard Allah's Apostle (peace be upon him) as saying that the inmates of Paradise would eat and drink but would neither spit, nor pass water, nor void excrement, nor suffer catarrh.

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  3. When Muhammad says: {أنا الضَّحوك القَتَّال} "I laugh when I kill."

    And there is a Sunan like this:


    حَدَّثَنَا مُحَمَّدُ بْنُ بَشَّارٍ، قَالَ‏:‏ حَدَّثَنَا مُحَمَّدُ بْنُ عَبْدِ اللهِ الأَنْصَارِيُّ، قَالَ‏:‏ حَدَّثَنَا عَبْدُ اللهِ بْنُ عَوْنٍ، عَنْ مُحَمَّدِ بْنِ مُحَمَّدِ بْنِ الأَسْوَدِ، عَنْ عَامِرِ بْنِ سَعْدٍ، قَالَ‏:‏ قَالَ سَعْدٌ‏:‏ لَقَدْ رَأَيْتُ النَّبِيَّ صلى الله عليه وسلم، ضَحِكَ يَوْمَ الْخَنْدَقِ حَتَّى بَدَتْ نَوَاجِذُهُ قَالَ‏:‏ قُلْتُ‏:‏ كَيْفَ كَانَ‏؟‏ قَالَ‏:‏ كَانَ رَجُلٌ مَعَهُ تُرْسٌ، وَكَانَ سَعْدٌ رَامِيًا، وَكَانَ يَقُولُ كَذَا وَكَذَا بِالتُّرْسِ يُغَطِّي جَبْهَتَهُ، فَنَزَعَ لَهُ سَعْدٌ بِسَهْمٍ، فَلَمَّا رَفَعَ رَأْسَهُ رَمَاهُ فَلَمْ يُخْطِئْ هَذِهِ مِنْهُ يَعْنِي جَبْهَتَهُ وَانْقَلَبَ الرَّجُلُ، وَشَالَ بِرِجْلِهِ‏:‏ فَضَحِكَ النَّبِيُّ صلى الله عليه وسلم حَتَّى بَدَتْ نَوَاجِذُهُ قَالَ‏:‏ قُلْتُ‏:‏ مِنْ أَيِّ شَيْءٍ ضَحِكَ‏؟‏ قَالَ‏:‏ مِنْ فِعْلِهِ بِالرَّجُلِ‏.‏

    "Aamir bin Sa'd radiyallahu anhu says, My father Sa'd said, "Rasoolullah sallallahu alaihe wasallam laughed on the day of the Battle of Khandaq till his teeth showed." Aamir radiyallahu anhu says, "I asked why did he laugh?" he replied, "A Kaafir had a shield, and Sa'd was a great archer. The kaafir protected himself by swaying the shield from side to side covering his forehead. (Sayyidina Sa'd radiyallahu anhu was a famous marksman, but the kaafir did not let the arrows get him). Sa'd radiyallahu anhu took an arrow (and kept it ready in the bow). When the non believer removed the shield from his head, he quickly aimed at the kaafir and did not miss the target, i.e. the (enemy's) forehead. The enemy immediately fell down, his legs rising into the air. On that Rasoolullah sallallahu alaihe wasallam laughed till his mabaraak teeth showed." I asked, "Why did Rasoolullah sallallahu alaihe wasallam laugh?" He replied, "Because of what Sa'd had done to the man."
    (Shama'il Muhammadiyah)

    It really makes you wonder, was Muhammad a madman?

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  4. Liberated writes of Mohammed's menophobia (irrational fear of menstruation). However, as in other areas, Mohammed was not "normally" pathological -- he had an extra twist of deformity and perversion.

    For, combined with his menophobia, he also seemed to have had a menophilia -- a perverse attraction to menstruation.

    Thus we see from Bukhari's collection of hadiths (the most authoritative collection in all Islam):

    Volume 1, Book 6, Number 298:

    Narrated 'Aisha:

    The Prophet and I used to take a bath from a single pot while we were Junub. During the menses, he used to order me to put on an Izar (dress worn below the waist) and used to fondle me. While in Itikaf, he used to bring his head near me and I would wash it while I used to be in my periods (menses).

    Then we have the immediately following hadith (Number 299):

    Narrated 'Abdur-Rahman bin Al-Aswad:

    (on the authority of his father) 'Aisha said: "Whenever Allah's Apostle wanted to fondle anyone of us during her periods (menses), he used to order her to put on an Izar and start fondling her." ...

    Then from the hadith collector Dawud, also considered "Sahih" (authoritative) we have this juicy hadith (Book 1, Number 0270):

    Narrated Aisha, Ummul Mu'minin:

    Umarah ibn Ghurab said that his paternal aunt narrated to him that she asked Aisha: What if one of us menstruates and she and her husband have no bed except one? She replied: I relate to you what the Apostle of Allah (peace_be_upon_him) had done.

    One night he entered (upon me) while I was menstruating. He went to the place of his prayer, that is, to the place of prayer reserved (for this purpose) in his house. He did not return until I felt [sic: should be "fell"]asleep heavily, and he felt pain from cold. And he said: Come near me. I said: I am menstruating. He said: Uncover your thighs. I, therefore, uncovered both of my thighs. Then he put his cheek and chest on my thighs and I lent upon he [sic: should read "leant upon him"] until he became warm and slept.

    Note: All my hadith sources come from an official Muslim website, the "Center for Muslim-Jewish Engagement" at the University of Southern California (that organization used to be called the "USC-MSA (Muslim Student Association) Compendium of Muslim Texts" -- a cleverly disingenuous name-change, as Robert Spencer perceptively noted back in 2008. Not only did that organization change its name to appear more "ecumenical" and "Abrahamic"; it also afforded them the opportunity to monkey with the links to all the damning Islamic texts they have collected there -- such that the links provided by innumerable websites throughout the anti-Islamic Blogosphere that for years were linking to hadiths on the old "USC-MSA Compendium of Muslim Texts" suddenly found themselves disconnected from their source, so that when the reader clicks on the link, it leads only to the deceptively bland home page of the new and improved "Center for Muslim-Jewish Engagement", but not to the hadith in question. From my experience, most of the websites that contain links to those hadiths have never gone back to correct the problem and put in the new correct link.

    Furthermore, if that wasn't cleverly obfuscatory enough, there is no way now (as there used to be) to link directly to a specific hadith -- only to the general page that contains it; necessitating that the reader must know that he has to scroll down (or search for key words) to find it.


    The Hesperado

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  5. Usama, is that "Sunan" a hadith from Sunan abu Dawud?

    And what about the first one you cite, "I laugh when I kill." Where is that from?

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    1. The "I laugh when I kill" is citing in the unabridged Arabic edition of Tafsir Ibn Kathir in Chapter 9 verse 123

      The word "Sunan" linguistically means "example" it is used in TITLES but it doesn't need to, in this case I am using the linguistic meaning of the word. In other words, this is an "example" in Muhammad's life.

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    2. http://www.qurancomplex.org/Quran/tafseer/Tafseer.asp?nSora=9&t=katheer&l=arb&nAya=123 (Unabridged Arabic of Tafsir Ibn Kathir 9:123)

      http://sunnah.com/urn/1802230
      (Shamail Muhammadiyyah)

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  6. Dead aunt huh.... It's truly befuddling how such a sick man can command so much admiration. I look forward to your future revealings of this sick freak. This should be on those "the more you know" commercials. Wayne Brady: "Did you know the prophet Muhammad had sex with his dead aunt?" do do do doooo!

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  7. Hesperado, it is indeed possible to link to a specific hadith at "Muslim-Jewish Engagement" site. You just need to know the right "suffix" for the address.

    I'll give you an example of the form of the address to do so.

    Bukhari 9.84.57, for example:

    http://www.cmje.org/religious-texts/hadith/bukhari/084-sbt.php#009.084.057

    For Sahih Muslim the form differs slightly:

    Sahih Muslim 19.4363 is

    http://www.cmje.org/religious-texts/hadith/muslim/019-smt.php#019.4363

    For Sunan Abu Dawud 38.4348 an example:

    http://www.cmje.org/religious-texts/hadith/abudawud/038-sat.php#038.4348

    Form for the Qur'an 9:29

    http://www.cmje.org/religious-texts/quran/verses/009-qmt.php#009.029

    In general with any webpage, to find whether it is possible to link to a specific text one can "view source" or "view page source" by right-clicking on the text, then click "view source" on the drop down menu that appears. After you click on "view source," a page of code should appear. Then use "search" to search in that page of code for some snatch of the text you want to link to. The text is mixed in among the code. Then when you find the text, look for an "a name" prior to and not far from the text you searched for. The "a name" will be a small group of numbers or characters. Right before that little sequence of numbers or characters there will be the label "a name". Provided there is an "a name" for your particular text, you can link to that particular text. Just append to the webpage address the number symbol:# and after that # symbol append the characters that follow the label "a name".

    Example:
    At the Muslim-Jewish Engagement site, the "a name" for Bukhari 9.84.57 is this:

    009.084.057

    Thus you get

    http://www.cmje.org/religious-texts/hadith/bukhari/084-sbt.php#009.084.057

    That will link directly to that hadith.

    Don't know if that helps.

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  8. I read an article long ago that stated a group of theologians, historians, and other asorted biblical scholars had, after collectively reviewing the Gospels together, determined that the stories written down further from the described events contained far more in the way of supernatural occurances. In contrast, I have seen debates between muslims and their detractors where when confronted the earliest depictions of mohammed's perversions and obvious insanity dismiss them in favour of latter sources that paint him as a wonderfully moral character. A similar phenomena in play it seems, athough the immoral actions of old moe are trotted out to justify horrenous atrocities when necessary.

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  9. Hi Liberated:

    Interesting article.You know more about the subject than I.Do stay safe,don't tell others about you having left Islam.Because of Inbreeding over centuries many in the area act bad because of a bad genetical heritage.Again,take care.


    I have just read the world-famous book by David "Spengler" Goldman.

    For several years a man called "Spengler" has written articles for the online website "Asia Times".He has becomes astonishing popular,with 1 million readers ever time.Finally he revealed his identity.

    "How Civilizations Die (and Why Islam is Dying Too)"(2010).

    The info is startling.As we all know,irrational behaviour appears in all civiliations but I think one major reason among Muslims is INBREEDING.

    Goldman shows the statistics for marriage to 1st and 2nd cousins among Muslims,it is from consang.net,in his book,pages 81-82.

    THE GRIM SITUATION

    1.Afghanistan: 55% (population:30 million )

    2.Algeria: 22% (population:37 million )

    3.Egyt: 30% (population:80 million,90% Muslim )

    4.India,among Muslim Indians: 33%(Muslim population:145 million Muslims)

    5.Iran: 38% (population:74 million)

    6.Irak: 33% (population:31 million)

    7.Israel,among Arabs in Israel:34% (population:1.4 million)

    8.Jordan: 40% (population:6.5 million)

    9.Kuwait: 38% (population:2.5 million)

    10.Lebanon: 35% (population:4.1 million,80% Muslim)

    11.Morocco: 20% (population:31 million)

    12.Oman: 36% (population:2.7 million)

    13.Pakistan:61% (population:180 million)

    14.Palestinian Territories:29% (population: )

    15.Qatar:45% (population:1.7 million)

    16.Saudi Arabia: 45% (population:26 million)

    17.Sudan: 52% (population:32 million)



    Also 55% of Pakistani Muslims in the UK marry 1st or 2nd cousins.


    For hundreds of Years

    It has been going on for hundreds of years,the result would be a a degradation of the mental and Physical stock.

    The Average of 1st and 2nd Cousin Marriages among Muslims,what is called Endogamy

    According to famous French scholar Emmanuel Todd (born in 1951),and who thinks Islam poses no danger for the world,on average 35% of all Muslims marry 1st and 2nd cousins.So 35% of 1.5 billion Muslims=375 million.

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  10. Guys,

    Did you know that critical,liberal scholars say the Nature Miracles in the Gospels are Inventions.

    They are:

    1.Jesus walking on water

    2.Feeding 5,OOO by a miracle

    3.Raising Lazarus and others from the dead,healng lepers

    4.Calming a storm by himself


    HOWEVER

    The most radical NT group of scholars,the Jesus Seminar does accept that Jesus did do "something" that others thought were miracles,but they weren't,but they were taken to be great feats.

    Read about it here:

    Translate using Google Translate

    http://translate.google.com/

    http://www.avraidire.com/2010/11/le-groupe-sceptique-jesus-seminar-et-les-miracles-de-jesus/

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  11. Thanks Traeh,

    I'll try that in the future. But tell me, do you know if in the past, before that site changed its name and format, it was possible to click on the particular citation that headlines each separate hadith, and immediately get the address to appear in the address bar? Now, it's no longer possible. When you position your mouse on the citation, you can see a visual change, but the mouse clicker doesn't turn into a "clickable" form. I suspect they altered that deliberately. The method you outline is considerably more cumbersome, to say the least.

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  12. Liberated's latest essay reminds me of an essay I wrote on my blog over three years ago -- a deadly-playful little essay titled:

    Islam as a psychological disorder—in the year 2158.

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  13. Good article (and funny). I'm not sure that Mo suffered from all those psychological issues, or not. But one thing was for certain and that was that he was a control freak. Everything had to be according to what he wanted and that control issue was so pronounced that it effected everything he said and did.

    Some people, when they get power, completely lose their minds. I'm not sure that Mo ever had any normalcy to his behavior. But he clearly suffered from extreme narcissism later in life.

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  14. This is entertaining...I've added a few phobias (irrational or excessive fears or aversions) that the character "prophet" "Muhammad" seemed to have:

    Kaffirophobia and Kufrophobia: fear of disbelievers and disbelief
    Mushrikophobia and Shirkophobia: fear of polytheists and polytheism
    Murtadophobia: fear of apostates
    Munafiqophobia: fear of hypocrites
    Agateophobia: Fear of insanity (Muhammad feared that he was going crazy when he first received "revelations")
    Theophobia: fear of Allah; and fear of other peoples' gods
    Porkophobia

    Another problem he had was paranoia, i.e., he thought all the non-Muslims (and even some of the apparent Muslims) around him were out to get him.

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    1. typo: Kaffirophobia should read Kuffarophobia

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  15. You're welcome, Hesp.

    I've found a less cumbersome way to get the "a name". Instead of doing "view source" and then doing a search for a snatch of the text you want, you can, provided you are already at the headline of the text you want, right-click on it, then click on "inspect element" from the drop down menu that appears. That should open the source code for that particular piece of text, so you don't have to do a search through the source code. You might have to scroll a tiny bit in the source code that appears after you click "inspect element". Scrolling a little should make the "a name" for that text appear, at least at the Muslim-Jewish Engagement site, which uses a unique "a name" for each hadith.

    As to your other questions. I don't recall if the old form of that site permitted one to just click on the headline to get the address to appear in the address bar. I doubt it, actually. But not sure.

    It is cumbersome, but one learns ways to avoid having to do it over and over again. I copy any hadith I like, along with its web address, into an "Islamic texts" document I save. Then whenever I want to cite that hadith in a comment, it's superfast and easy to do a search for it in my "Islamic texts" document. So I only ever need to go through the cumbersome process once for each hadith. After that all I ever have to do again for a particular hadith is just copy the hadith and its address from my "Islamic texts" doc and then paste it wherever I want it to appear.

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  17. Greenforest adds to the catalogue of Muhammad's phobias.

    "Phobia" as a suffix means not only fear of, but often also means hatred of, right? Hatred stemming from fear, and fear stemming from hatred, in a vicious circle...

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  18. Hesperado, maybe you should skip the method that uses "inspect element", which I initially described as less cumbersome. It involves a step or two I only noticed just now. You can't just copy the "a name" directly from the "inspect element" panel, I think. If you play around with it you can no doubt figure out how to copy the "a name" from the "inspect element" panel, but it will require an additional step or two over and above what I described as "less cumbersome," so maybe the best thing is just to use the first method ("view source") I described, and skip "inspect element".

    I notice also that at this blogspot site, each comment does not have an "a name" in the code, but does have a unique "id" or unique "div id" number that seems to work in the same way as an "a name" in terms of how you form the unique web address.

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  19. Also, Hesperado, on this blogspot site it used to be possible a week or two ago to right-click on the date of a comment and very easily get the unique web address for the comment from a drop down menu that would appear after right-clicking. No more. Now it seems you have to go into the source code to get the unique web address for a comment here.

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  20. Waiting for skouti & anj to come & prove the falseness of Liberated's allegations... if she is so wrong, it should be dead easy!

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  21. Hesperado, is Voegelin's Autobiographical Reflections a good place to check out his work?

    I'm leaning toward that one because it's available on Kindle and is the cheapest of the Voegelin titles available on Kindle...

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  22. That's a very comprehensive list of disorders.

    Of course, for the broad picture of Muhammad's most important behavioral drivers, you need to see the complete psychological profile in Ali Sina's, Understanding Muhammad.

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  23. You know what? the real danger in this mental disorder is that it has spreaded to billions of people through 14 centuries.Who is more insane? MO? or his followers?!

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  24. To further anyone's research and understand exactly how insane Mo was check out this free 295 page downloadable PDF book by Sujit Das: Muhammed: the Malignant Narcissist and His Grand Delusion Allah.
    https://acrobat.com/#d=WsvZBY1sY0pLKbrDQmGZyA

    Another one source (980 page free book)on the evils of Islam at
    http://www.islamreform.net

    Liberated, thanks for being bold; maybe others behind the veil will see your light and escape their living hell known as Islam.

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  25. great article and makes sense too. anyway i just have one question i always wanted to ask an ex-muslim what made you decide to leave islam ? , I'm non muslim who live in muslim country so i know the real version of islam and muslims and it's not pretty a,i keep wondering how all these people follow this cult but i always tell myself ''put yourself in their shoes what will you do and how will you act ?'' i will probably do what muslims do but i know for sure there will be time when i will realize one of two things (1)something wrong with my head or (2) something wrong with this religion ,how and when did you reach that point which made you decide to leave islam ?

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  26. What a superb blog site. I wish you all the best in your struggle.Here are a few remarks I'd like to contribute:

    First about World War II stuff, namely the slaughter of the Banu Qurasa and Hajj Amin al Husseini’s influence on Adolf Hitler The photos from that era showing Jews lined up along trenches and being shot in the backs of their heads immediately brings to mind the demise of the Banu Quraysa following the Battle of the Trench when they were murdered by decapitation while similarly arranged along the edge of trenches. Is there a cultural tradition among Arabs/Muslims in which honor is gained by emulating the ‘deeds’ of ‘the Prophet’?

    Secondly, all the current bullshit (in my opinion) about leadership has led me to consider the leadership of Mohammed. He may be the number one leader of all time. Just think, the guy has been dead for 1300 years, and 1.5 billion people around the globe follow his every word to the extreme extent that they are eager (and do) kill anyone who disagrees with him. G-d help (no pun intended) the person who curses the founder of Islam (or his companions).

    Almostlastly, about his psychosis. I’ve read a bit of Martin Lings biography of Mohammed, and was intrigued by the author’s account of Mohammed having grown up in isolation, sheparding goats/sheep alone, no father, etc. Social isolation (as well as linguistic isolation) leads to schizophrenia; in fact, social isolation is the sine qua non sign that unites all diagnoses of all schizophreniform psychiatric diseases, many of which include paranoia – and he was paranoid. He killed every one and every thing (like an old day Michael Corleon). ‘Thwack off their fingers and crush their heads’ is one line (quote approximate) that I recall from my readings of the Quran. That madame, is nuts!

    And lastly as for the Sura Al Anfal – ‘The Spoils of War’, it is interesting to note that ‘anfal’ is also a German word, whose associated verb is ‘anfalen’ – to attack, or to assault, which brings us back to the first comment above.

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  27. informed rational freedom loving people have all the reasons in the world to fear islam...

    the twin fogs of political correctness & ignorance must be dispersed before western society better understands this menace. even a brief review of islamic theology & history quickly exposes the deadly roots of this evil ideology.

    Mohamhead was a 7th century murdering warlord who rose to power on a river of blood surrounded by thugs and gangsters using intimidation, violence, deception and trickery to expand their criminal empire while mercilessly suppressing and killing their opponents and enriching themselves on stolen booty.

    The evil koran is a collection of sayings and speeches by this diabolical madman claiming divine guidance from some mythical sky-god which has inspired generations of crazed fanatics to abhorrent behavior resulting in historys worst ever crimes against humanity starting 1400 years ago and still continuing even today.

    Islam is just another fascist totalitarian ideology used by power hungry fanatics on yet another quest for worldwide domination and includes all the usual human rights abuses & suppression of freedoms.

    and a snappy graphics version, great for emailing...

    http://img256.imageshack.us/img256/1479/dangermoko.jpg

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  28. Traeh,

    Thanks again, but I have to confess your instructions make my eyes glaze over. Perhaps I need a second cup of coffee. I will surely follow them, but I don't relish having to do so. I've never seen a website that has internal content internally linked where one has to go through such hoops just to cite that internal content -- it's usually just automatic: you click on that internal content (if the site owner has coded it that way) and voila -- you have a link to copy paste.

    Secondly, you just noted that the "Center for Muslim-Jewish Engagement" site has altered a certain aspect of the process, making it more difficult. This indicates yet again that my theory may be correct about their past.

    Thirdly, again, when you find old articles on the Net in various anti-Islam websites (Jihad Watch, Answering Islam, etc.) that link to specific hadiths, the links no longer go to the specific hadith, but just get re-routed to the home page of the "Center for Muslim-Jewish Engagement" site. Try it out, clicking on the linked hadiths in this old article by Sam Shamoun:

    http://answering-islam.org/Muhammad/Inconsistent/menstruation.htm

    This example may be found repeated throughout the Net by the hundreds probably, or thousands. It indicates at the very least that the "Center for Muslim-Jewish Engagement" site has previous altered their routing system for links -- long before your latest discovery of a recent alteration. Sure, it could reflect an innocent change consequent upon a refurbishing of their website. Or it could be a clever way of ruining the citations of innumerable anti-Islam essays scattered throughout the Net.

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  29. Hasn't it long been clear that falsehoods are so simple to detect?

    Anyone following something false responds to any challenge to their beliefs with hatred, vilification, and violence.

    Clearly, Islam is the greatest falsehood and deception on earth!

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  30. Traeh,

    In my estimation, Autobiographical Reflections isn't the best place to start dipping into Voegelin. It's a series of interviews conducted with him by a former pupil now professor. To a fan of Voegelin, it's fascinating, but it may not be a good place to begin.

    On Google Books, they have a free sample of a collection of his later essays, which I consider among his best work. This link should take you to one of his better essays, Reason: The Classic Experience.

    From there, if you know how, you can navigate among the other essays (I confess I still have problems doing that, being semi-computer-illiterate).

    Other great essays in that compendium include:

    Immortality: Experience and Symbol

    Equivalences of Experience and Symbolization

    The Gospel and Culture

    Hegel: A Study in Sorcery

    Remembrance of Things Past

    Quod Deus Dicitur (or: In Search of Order -- his last work, which he was still writing on his deathbed)

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  31. And that was only the short list :)

    If you want to get serious about mastering the horrible ideology and history of Islam so that you can try to figure out to how stop it better, try my free online Islam history course this year:

    http://go.to/islamhistory

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  33. Again, this article is all tongue-in-cheek humour. The real Mohammad (if he existed at all and is not a composite character of a few individuals) was probably a minor warlord in Northern Arabia, had nothing to do with the creation of Islam and did little that is attributed to the prophet (with the notable exception of killing people).
    Given that the Mohammad of the Muslims is mostly fictional based probably almost solely on the mythology of Islam and created from the need to create a religion to enforce the early Hagarian conquests and to give the new Arab warlord masters legitimacy over their conquered peoples, it is no wonder "he" comes across as mentally unstable. There were far more stories about him thrown away by the earliest hadeeth collectors and biographers who only really started creating a biography of him a century and a half after his supposed death.
    Islam and Mohammad are the greatest falsehoods in the history of humanity.

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  34. I think the interesting thing about Mohammed is that he was well on the way to constructing a philosophical system based on respect and tolerance in Mecca when he gave into the temptation to go to Mecca and be worshipped as a warlord, then all his toleration and respect flew apart. I've heard this defined as the main difference between Mohammed and Jesus - Jesus didn't give into temptation.

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    1. Hey Joe,

      I have to disagree with that. A "philosophical system" is not exactly what I would call what Muhammad was constructing in the Meccan phase. More like a scheme for conquest and control. During the Meccan phase Muhammad did not have enough political and military power to implement this scheme, but nevertheless he threatened the polytheists, who did not want to join him. It was during the Medinan phase that Muhamamd gained the military and political power to conquer others. A good polemical article written on this subject is by Sam Shamoun of Answering-Islam (see here).

      The Sira, early in the Meccan phase, states that Muhammad threatened to slaughter the polytheists, and that he proposed the jizya scheme whereby the Quraysh (Muhammad's tribe) would rule over the rest of the Arabs and the Arabs would rule over the non-Arabs. Most of the polytheist Quraysh rejected this. In other words, a lot of what we hear about as Islam's final policies of warfare and subjugation of non-Muslims were, according to the Islamic texts, conceived and proposed at least in basic form in the early Meccan period.

      The Meccan Suras of the Quran state that Allah permitted Muslim men to have sex with (i.e., rape) the female right hand possessions (slaves) (23:1-7, 70:29-30). At least one Meccan Sura glorifies killing (q-t-l) in the cause of Allah. Throughout the Meccan Suras, there are example warnings of Allah's fierce and terrible punishments in the world and in the herafter; the disbelievers are warned they will have no protectors on earth and no escape on earth. The Meccan Suras engage in crude polemic against the polytheists, the Christians, Jews; against anyone who didn't accept Muhammad's claims.

      From the earliest Suras, and right in the chronologically first Sura (Sura 96), Muhammad (Allah) is already threatening the disbelievers with hell-fire and that they will be "seized by [their] sinful lying forelocks" if they don't accept the validity of what he's preaching. In the next Sura (68), "Allah" threatens to brand the disbelievers on the nose, followed by the next Sura (73) in which disbelievers are threatened with heavy shackles and a flaming fire, threatened again with punishment in the next sura (74), and with more of the same sorts of hell-fire and doomsday threats against the disbelievers throughout the vast majority of the Meccan Suras.

      The Islamic texts themselves, though obviously partisan in favour of Muslims, indicate that Muhammad was the first to verbally attack or "revile" the polytheists' religions, and that a Muslim (Sa’d b. Abu Waqqas, see this) was the first to shed blood against the polytheists (Ishaq, p. 118-119).

      Let's review. In the Meccan phase, Muhammad
      1. Glorified killing in the way of Allah
      2. Proposed the jizya contract scheme wherein Muslims (or at that stage, the Arabs who had embraced Islam) could rule over and extract money from others
      3. Threatened to slaughter the polytheists
      4. Ruled that Muslim men could have sex slaves
      5. Threatened non-Muslims with hellfire torture and doomsday.
      6. Threatened non-Muslims that they would be punished in this world, that they would not escape in this world, and would have no protectors in this world.

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    2. I disagree with both of you. Your theses are true ONLY if the Muslim narrative of the life and times of the prophet is true. This is hardly a proven fact. In fact, there is far more evidence to the contrary. The ONLY evidence for any of it is the Koran itself, which is an almagamation of many other texts and histories with NO indication of single authorship let alone a divine one, and the haditha and biographies all of which don't appear until a hundred years after the supposed death of Mohammad at the absolute earliest. Face it. The whole Muslim narrative of the start of their religion is a fraud perpetrated on the world in the name of Arab conquest. Nothing more!

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    3. Sab of the dar al Haarb,

      I don't assume the truth of the Muslim legends/myths. My post above is about what the Islamic narrative says. I don't assume that Muhammad (or Allah) exists. I've mentioned this many times now on this site. When I'm talking about Muhammad, I'm referring to a character, a personage, in the Islamic narrative that may or may not have existed. It just gets tedious to say "the character Muhammad, who Muslims think is a prophet..." etc., in every post.

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    4. Fair enough, Greenforest.

      But to discuss it without at least saying "According to the Muslim narrative..." we give creedence to this lie and give them the oportunity to argue the points on their own turf with is based on fantasy not reality. It's like comic book fans arguing whether Superman is better than Spiderman.

      The only real reason to actually delve into the Muslim narrative is to demonstrate the inconsistencies, the outright fabrications, the plagiarisms, the untruths all to prove it anything but divine. To discuss it as if it reflected actual history in any way, factual and true, does a disservice to the truth and to the future of humanity.

      That may sound over the top but the threat Islam represents to the world cannot be underplayed.

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    5. sab of the dar al Haarb,

      You wrote: "But to discuss it without at least saying "According to the Muslim narrative...""

      Actually, I did do that:

      "...according to the Islamic texts,"

      "The Sira, early in the Meccan phase, states that"

      "The Meccan Suras of the Quran state that"

      "The Islamic texts themselves, though obviously partisan in favour of Muslims, indicate that"

      Stylistic concerns about repetition or redundancy may limit such qualifiers; once or twice in the post is probably enough to show I'm not taking the sources at face value of anything other than what mainstream Muslim scholars believe. I no more believe what the Islamic texts say in a factual historical sense than I believe in Allah or that Muhammad was a prophet or any other such beliefs, claims, stories, etc., that were mentioned in my post.

      You wrote:
      "The only real reason to actually delve into the Muslim narrative is to demonstrate the inconsistencies, the outright fabrications, the plagiarisms, the untruths all to prove it anything but divine."

      I would add that perhaps the most important reason to delve into the primary Islamic texts (Quran, Hadiths, Sira) is to show the source of the immorality, the evil, we see in Islamic law, attitudes, and practice today.

      Anyways, I do agree with your point more generally. It is often useful to highlight the dubious nature of the sources (Quran, Hadiths, Sira) from a historical perspective and the fact that there is no direct independent evidence for the existence of Muhammad.

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    6. Greenforest,

      Thank you for your clarifications and I couldn't agree more with your eloquent response.

      It is indeed a challenge to look at the Islamic primary documents at face value and argue their fallacies (which is absolutely necessary) without given any creedence to them as legitimate historical sources. I guess Robert Spencer in a way is facing this given his Book "The Truth about Mohammad" where he discusses the narrative as if it were actual history (in order to say "If true then...") and then publish his upcoming book "Did Mohammed exist?" which seems in contradiction to the earlier one which more or less needed to assume that he did.

      I guess I fear that in discussing the narrative and getting caught up in the in detail as is required to prove it false, we run the risk of being drawn into the trap where we seem to acknowledge it as actual historical fact.

      But I am grateful that in talking to each other, you and I are preaching to the choir. Keep up the good fight of the fellowship of the dar al Haarb!

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  35. Hesperado, thanks for the link to the free article and associated articles by Voegelin. I'm going to check that article out.

    By the way, it was something on this site -- the Liberated site -- that I said had recently changed as to links in the comments section. I don't think I said anything about new changes at the Center for Muslim-Jewish Engagement.

    However, I know only too well the effect the web address changes had at the Muslim-Jewish Engagement site. You know how frequently I have posted ahadith. Those ahadith I posted all linked to the Engagement website. I had to fix my whole collection of ahadith. Besides that collection I have two websites that had a boatload of links I had to fix. I had to fix I think 114 links or more at the chronquran site, and a whole bunch of links at the quotingislam site. I did it to some extent automatically with "search replace," so it only took me a couple of hours I guess to do everything. But it wasn't how I wanted to spend my time.

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  36. Apply this to other world religions
    Roman Catholics - pedophilia
    Hinduism - beastiality
    Judiasm - Inferiority Complex when it comes to their young brother Ishmael's descendants

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    1. Don't know much about Hinduism or Judaism but I am glad you pointed out pedophilia; we all agree with you it's a disgusting sin.

      Now, the quran says allah will serve up young boys in islamic paradise:

      surah 52:24 Round about them will serve, to them, boys (handsome) as pearls well-guarded.

      surah 56:17 Round about them will serve boys of perpetual freshness.

      surah 76:19 And round about them will serve boys of perpetual freshness: if thou seest them, thou wouldst think them scattered pearls.

      So now will you condemn islam just like you did the Roman Catholics?

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    2. BTW you say: "Judiasm - Inferiority Complex when it comes to their young brother Ishmael's descendants"

      HAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHA... dude are you for real??

      Jews are technologically superior to mohamedans, their society is more advanced and freer, they are more educated and have higher IQs, they win a disproportionate number of nobel prizes, are more fashionable, business-savvy, financially wise etc...

      So enlighten me: what do mohamedans have that Jews should feel inferior about??

      You are certainly an entertaining buffoon, please keep ranting, it amuses me :D

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  37. Traeh,

    I hadn't realized you had begun your project prior to the change of that Muslim-Jewish Engagement site (since I believe the change-over began in 2008). And think of all the other blogs out there which have links their owners haven't bothered to fix -- including big sites like Jihad Watch and Faithfreedom. If Robert Spencer could allocate a little money to hire someone to comb through the archives and fix them (not to mention also the innumerable other links to various news sources I have found, almost accidentally while browsing from among his archives, that have since become dead-ends), it would be well worth the money -- that is, if he cared; for I doubt that money is the problem in this regard.

    So far, we can be grateful to skate on the relatively unthin ice of the fact that no Islam apologist (whether Muslim or non-Muslim) out there has the intelligent resolve to do a thorough study of the veracity of Jihad Watch sources; for if they did, I fear too many holes in the warp and woof of the fabric of proof upon which broad portions and/or crucial points of the entire enterprise depends would be uncovered. Not that I think these holes are real -- just that their presentation may be vulnerable to superficial -- but, alas, demagogically effective -- exposés.

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  38. Could you say this 100 years ago, about the Jews being more advanced. From Auswitz to Settlement camps. They took over via the Federsal Reserve system. Thats why the economies of the west are on life support today. Thanks to them! What happened to backing your money on gold? They swindled their way to the top (read Merchant of Venice by Shakespeare). They get so much help and assistance from the US its not even funny. We'll see what happens when Iran completes their N bomb.

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    1. So are you willing to openly condemn looting, robbery and murder?

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  39. @Trying to Follow Jesus
    Do you ever hear of boys being molested in a mosque?
    no but I know you hear of them in Cathedrals? ?I know you believed Jesus died for me
    but I know for damn sure he didn't want me to lived to be anally probed by "father John Doe"

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    1. You say: Do you ever hear of boys being molested in a mosque?

      Did you read my comment correctly? Can you even understand simple English? I condemn pedophilia. Are you willing to do the same as I did?

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  40. A message to all the evangelical Christians reading this
    why do you Covet the ones who killed your "your Lord and Savior"
    GO WATCH PASSION OF THE CHRIST

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    1. Yes definitely! EVERYBODY please watch the movie! See Biblical predictions about Jesus come true:

      Isaiah 53:5,6,11,12 tell us Messiah will be punished for our sins and He will bear our sins for us.
      Isaiah 53:7 says Even though innocent when falsely accused He will not defend himself.
      Isaiah 53:8 says He will be killed.
      Isaiah 53:9 says He will die with the wicked.

      See, even in their most "murderous" actions, Jews inherently follow God's will! :D

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  41. SoA

    "Do you ever hear of boys being molested in a mosque?
    no but I know you hear of them in Cathedrals? ?I know you believed Jesus died for me but I know for damn sure he didn't want me to lived to be anally probed by "father John Doe.""

    ‘Trusted’ Mile End teacher molested girls during lessons on the Koran

    Ashraf Miah, 38, of Joseph Street, Mile End, was sentenced at Snaresbrook Crown Court on Friday following his conviction by a jury on 13 charges of sexual assault between 2005 and 2009.

    The offences happened when Miah was entrusted to teach young girls to read from the Koran either at his home theirs.

    The crimes came to notice when Miah was arrested in November 2009 for offences against two of the girls. During the investigation, dealt with by detectives from the Child Abuse Investigation Team, other children that had been taught by Miah were contacted and more offences came to notice, leading to his further arrest in January 2010.

    He was convicted on all 13 counts.

    He was sentenced to three years and three months imprisonment, put on the sex offenders register for life and is not allowed to work with children.

    The officer leading the investigation, Det Sgt Martin Bird from the Child Abuse Investigation Team, said: “The tragedy of this case is that a highly respected member of the community took advantage of their position of trust.

    “It goes to show that even if someone thinks they have got away with it at the time, young people are brave enough to come forward and testify at court.”

    http://www.eastlondonadvertiser.co.uk/news/trusted_mile_end_teacher_molested_girls_during_lessons_on_the_koran_1_770314

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  42. SoA

    A Muslim worship leader is accused of raping a 12-year-old boy during visits to a mosque for religious lessons.

    Mohammed Hanif Khan, 42, is alleged to have sexually assaulted the boy inside the Stoke on Trent mosque where he worked as the imam.

    He is also charged with the attempted rape of and sexual activity with the boy's cousin, who was 15 at the time, as he stayed over at his home one evening.

    Khan, who appeared in front of Nottingham Crown Court yesterday wearing a black suit, white shirt and red tie, spoke only to confirm his name and to enter not guilty pleas to all eight charges against him.

    Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1346514/Muslim-leader-raped-young-boy-attended-mosque-religious-lessons.html#ixzz1jkRowIx5

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  43. SoA

    Paedophilia 'culturally accepted in south Afghanistan'

    British forces were advised by a military study that paedophilia is widespread and culturally accepted in southern Afghanistan.

    Older, powerful men boosted their social status by keeping boys as sexual playthings and the practice was celebrated in song and dance, a military study claimed.

    British officers in Helmand requested the study to help them understand the sexual behaviour of locals and Afghan comrades after young soldiers became uneasy they were being propositioned.

    American social scientists employed to help troops understand the local culture reported that homosexual sex was widespread among the Pashtun ethnic group in southern Afghanistan.

    Strict separation of men and women, coupled with poverty and the significant expense of getting married, contributed to young men turning to each other for sexual companionship.

    "To dismiss the existence of this dynamic out of desire to avoid western discomfort is to risk failing to comprehend an essential social force underlying Pashtun culture," the report said.

    The study, called 'Pashtun Sexuality', said that as well as willing sex between young men, "boys are appreciated for physical beauty and apprenticed to older men for their sexual initiation".
    The practice of 'bache bazi' or boy play, is known throughout Afghanistan, but is particularly renowned in the city of Kandahar next to Helmand, where prepubescent boys are widely admired.

    Western soldiers often report feeling unease at the attentions of their Afghan comrades, who are affectionate with each other and sometimes wear make-up.

    Read more:

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/afghanistan/8257943/Paedophilia-culturally-accepted-in-south-Afghanistan.html

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  44. Muhammad had a thing for young girls.

    (Suhayli, ii. 79: In the riwaya of Yunus I. I. recorded that the apostle saw her (Ummu'lFadl) when she was a baby crawling before him and said, 'If she grows up and I am still alive I will marry her.' But he died before she grew up and Sufyan b. al-Aswad b. 'Abdu'l-Asad al-Makhzumi married her and she bore him Rizq and Lubab...

    Ibn Ishaq, The Life of Muhammad: A Translation of Ishaq's Sirat Rasul Allah, translated by A. Guillaume [Oxford University Press, Karachi], p. 311

    Narrated Jabir bin Abdullah: While we were returning from a Ghazwa (Holy Battle) with the Prophet, I started driving my camel fast, as it was a lazy camel A rider came behind me and pricked my camel with a spear he had with him, and then my camel started running as fast as the best camel you may see. Behold! The rider was the Prophet himself. He said, 'What makes you in such a hurry?" I replied, I am newly married " He said, "Did you marry a virgin or a matron? I replied, "A matron." He said, "Why didn't you marry a young girl so that you may play with her and she with you?" When we were about to enter (Medina), the Prophet said, "Wait so that you may enter (Medina) at night so that the lady of unkempt hair may comb her hair and the one whose husband has been absent may shave her pubic region. - Bukhari Volume 7, Book 62, Number 16

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  45. slave of allah,

    You seem to blame Jews for killing Jesus, although the Bible predicted it hundreds of years before the event. But do you know who killed mohamad? According to the quran, allah did.

    In sahih bukhari mohamad said he felt his aorta being cut. And surah 69:44-47 says, And if Muhammad had made up about Us some [false] sayings, We would have seized him by the right hand; Then We would have cut from him the aorta. And there is no one of you who could prevent [Us] from him.

    For your reference, hadith sahih bukhari volume 5, 59:713 says:

    Narrated Ibn Abbas [a companion of Muhammad]: "...Narrated 'Aisha: The Prophet in his ailment in which he died, used to say, 'O Aisha! I still feel the pain caused by the food I ate at Khaibar, and at this time, I feel as if my aorta is being cut from that poison.' "

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  46. @hugh watt
    even though this wasnt on CNN and MSNBC like the Catholic anal probes
    but the better question is hypothetically speaking is "would you rather have you son raped by a father during confession or your daughter blessed by an Imam"
    why you bringing up Afghanistan, the Taliban won that war. The West is in negotiations with the Taliban which shows they are force to be reckoned with.
    Can you justify the US Evangelical Christian troops urinating over dead bodies. The imperialist troops add insult to injury. I dont feel sorry when "contractors"
    are beheaded....

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      Why do you bring up Roman Catholics? This is an apostate blog.

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  47. SoA

    but the better question is hypothetically speaking is "would you rather have you son raped by a father during confession or your daughter blessed by an Imam"

    Why speak hypothetically when these incidents actually took place?

    All child molesting is evil. You can't say that when it's Muhammad doing the molesting. If these hadith reports were applied to anyone other than Muhammad would you not be disgusted?

    "Can you justify the US Evangelical Christian troops urinating over dead bodies."

    "Evangelical Christian troops?!"

    I do not condone what they did. Will you condemn Muhammad's pedophile acts?

    Narrated by Hisham Ibn Kasim, narrated by Huraiz, narrated by Abdul Rahman Ibn Abu Awf Al Jarashy, and narrated by Mua’wiya who said, “I saw the prophet (pbuh) sucking on the tongue or the lips of Al-Hassan son of Ali, may the prayers of Allah be upon him . For no tongue or lips that the prophet sucked on will be tormented (by hell fire)

    Musnad Ahmad - Hadith No. 16245, Volume Title: “The Sayings of the Syrians,” Chapter Title: “Hadith of Mu’awiya Ibn Abu Sufyan,”

    This is very odd behavior.

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  48. Shooting the jihadist talibangers = OK.
    Pissing on their corpses = outrage.

    This doesn't make any sense.

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  49. I strongly support our troops urinating on dead mujahideen (and on live mujahideen, for that matter).

    Grow some balls, you quasi-anti-Islamists. Apparently, you simply haven't really digested the mountain of grotesquely ghoulish, monstrously horrible words and deeds of innumerable Muslims around the world now in our time, and throughout the past 1,400 Allahdamned years. Sure, you've read a lot of it, and absorbed a lot of it; but the full horror, the full catastrophe, obviously has not penetrated sufficiently through to your hearts and minds.

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    1. You don't even know what "bigot" means.

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    2. True bigots are (or were) these mujahideen (piss be upon them).

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  51. anj, there you are, you infinitely wise and perfect muslim! :-))))))

    Say, why is it that when mohamedans are confronted with the pedophilic behavior of mohamad, they can only point to similar crimes committed by catholics or by other religions? If islam is the only true religion, then surely mohamad would not behave as odiously as other religions, don't you think?

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  52. Hesperado,
    The stuff posted at the quotingislam site is stuff I've been collecting, tweaking, and posting at Jihad Watch for years. I only put the quotingislam site up starting around June, 2011 -- partly at your suggestion, by the way. Thank you also for putting the quotingislam site on your blogroll. I've also put The Hesperado website on my blogroll.

    I'm pretty sure that regardless of when the Engagement site might have begun their changeover, 2008 or whenever, the change in the basic web address (currently their addresses all say "cmje," etc., whereas before they said something else) must have happened in 2011. In fact I think it must have happened within the last 8 months, because I noticed and fixed the failing links within the last 6 or 8 months, and I've tested the links fairly constantly for the last couple of years.

    As for the links that failed some months ago at the chronquran site, I now remember that the fixes I had to do were not mainly Engagement site links (there is only one Engagement site link to fix at the chronquran site). The chronquran site's 114 links I had to fix/redirect were in fact pointing to an Ibn Kathir website that had become defunct.

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  53. Yeah while you live in a country that supports Homosexuality (US/UK/Western Homosphere), I come from the middle east where gays are M.I.A. literally.

    And I would love to know where you got that hadith from? I never heard it my life. Its probably some Shia b/s. I'm Salafi I don't listent to Iranian/Shiite propaganda

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    1. Oh gee, so now u don't care for Iranian and Shia bs. Didn't you say this earlier: "We'll see what happens when Iran completes their N bomb."??

      Isn't Taqiyya a Shia doctrine?? But heh, I guess if you're a salafi then it's just good old hypocrisy.

      How do you spell hypocrisy again... oh yeah, i s l a m.

      :D

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  54. In the Middle East anyone can become M.I.A, literally.
    But I doubt that this is something to be proud of.
    There's something seriously wrong with people who are proud to live in medieval society.

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  55. so who killed JFK, MLK, was it terrorists?

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    1. Dunno, the quran doesn't say a thing about JFK or MLK.

      But the quran does say that allah would cut mohamad's aorta if mohamad lied about allah. And when mohamad was dying, he said it felt like his aorta was being cut.

      surah 69:44-47 says, And if Muhammad had made up about Us some [false] sayings, We would have seized him by the right hand; Then We would have cut from him the aorta. And there is no one of you who could prevent [Us] from him.

      hadith sahih bukhari volume 5, 59:713: Narrated Ibn Abbas [a companion of Muhammad]: "...Narrated 'Aisha: The Prophet in his ailment in which he died, used to say, 'O Aisha! I still feel the pain caused by the food I ate at Khaibar, and at this time, I feel as if my aorta is being cut from that poison.' "

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  56. So whats modern society? being lied to everyday by the media, or being constantly under the watchful eye of big brother? or is the banking system today as to where the dollar is backed against the debt, not gold? is modern society which you love so much so great when you have 2 homosexual parents raising children and rallying for equal rights when we all know that same sexual relations is truly grotesque and abysmal. I'll stick to my medival society with law and honor.

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    1. "being lied to everyday by the media, or being constantly under the watchful eye of big brother?"

      What you describing is probably USSR, North Korea, Maoist China, Nazi Germany and islamic authocracies.
      All these collectivist totalitarian regimes belong in the past, philosophically.

      "or is the banking system today as to where the dollar is backed against the debt, not gold ?"

      Hopefully people will realize the mistake and adopt healthy capitalistic system instead.

      And why are you so obsessed with homosexuality ?
      Closet gay perhaps ?

      "I'll stick to my medival society with law and honor"

      Law ? Honor ? You don't even know what these words mean, but this is hardly surprizing.

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    2. slave of allah says: "we all know that same sexual relations is truly grotesque and abysmal. "

      Yet allah serves up handsome boys to muslims in paradise:

      surah 52:24 Round about them will serve, to them, boys (handsome) as pearls well-guarded.

      surah 56:17 Round about them will serve boys of perpetual freshness.

      surah 76:19 And round about them will serve boys of perpetual freshness: if thou seest them, thou wouldst think them scattered pearls.

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  57. Strange question.

    Certainly all these murders can be classified as terrorism.
    No doubt.

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  58. USA has always had an enemy. at first it was the Brits, then the natives, and then nazis, followed by the communists. Guess who plays the wretched enemy, radical muslims. I guess this is 21st century McCarthyism. How do you defend a country where they killed Indians, made them forget about their culture, invented crack to destroy the inner cities (blacks used to count as 3/5s of a human being) and then that crack turned on caucasian youths and then Reagan freaked out. The same country that participates in "Regime Chane" has bases all over the world. Iraq, Afghanistan, Columbia, South Korea, Taiwan, (and countless other puppet states) etc... Democracy is good idea in America but it isnt suitable worldwide. Ladies and Gentlemen this is the new Imperial empire. We will see how long it will last.

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    1. I don't give a rat's ass aboout the past of America.
      All I care is advanced industrial liberal/capitalist civilization as it exists right now.

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    2. By the way, if we are to judge all nations by their past wrongdoings, then I guess the entire planet must be nuked ASAP.

      American empire ? Really ? America now only has an "empire" of foreign aid to everybody. (I'm against all this idiotic altruistic dogoodery, by the way.)

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  59. I guess some Mujideen was responsible for those deaths. Its called Karma, you supported Bin Laden and Saddam in the 1980s and all of sudden they are branded enemies after 2001.

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    1. I (an israeli) supported Bin Laden and Saddam ?
      That's news to me. Really.

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    2. you supported Bin Laden and Saddam in the 1980s and all of sudden they are branded enemies

      And what's wrong with that? If my wonderful neighbor, who's been a nice family-man for many years, starts abusing his family members and molesting his children, I would definitely call the cops.

      Then again, I am a decent human being living in a Judeo-Christian (read: civilized) society. Your mileage obviously varies...

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  60. Traeh,

    Thanks for putting up my blog's link on your blogroll. (I'm also glad you have Diana West's who, although she has in my estimation a couple of problems (cf. my latest essay), she's one of the best anti-Islam observers on the scene today.)

    On Voegelin, you might be interested in this little essay I wrote a while back on him and Islam:

    Voegelinians and Islam

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  61. Good news Slave of Satan,

    You might just get your way:

    http://www.answeringabraham.com/2012/01/islamic-sharia-law-courts-for-women-in.html

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  62. In other words, he was one sick mofo!

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  63. Israelis, you were tormented by Nazi Germany in the Holocaust and as a consolation prize you got your "Jewish" state, and now inflict apartheid on Christian and Muslims in occupied territories. Does Yahweh approve? Does Jesus approve of racism, torture, and deaths. Add up the arab deaths vs. israeli deatha since 1948. Men lie, women lie, numbers don't.


    *Riddle me this, does the Jew in "Jewish" state refer to religiously Jew or ethnically Jew?

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    1. Go ask this on a Jewish blog. This is an apostate muslim blog.

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    2. Here we go with that non-factual "apartheid" nonsense. Heh !

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    3. typical Muslim BS - everyone lives together peacefully under Islam, as long as all non-Muslims who aren't beheaded accept their inferior status, pay the jizya with humiliation and step off the sidewlaks when a Muslim passes. Christians and gays are fleeing Muslim ruled Gaza. Many are fleeing to Israel where they have freedoms never found in any Muslim occupied land.

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  64. I guess Israel is a real democracy where Palestinians who were born and raised there can vote to make a difference...

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    1. allah gave palestine to the Jews. No wonder they win all the wars to defend their land; even allah is on their side!

      surah 10:93 And certainly We lodged the children of Israel in a goodly abode and We provided them with good things; but they did not disagree until the knowledge had come to them; surely your Lord will judge between them on the resurrection day concerning that in which they disagreed.

      surah 17:104 And We said to the Israelites after him: Dwell in the land: and when the promise of the next life shall come to pass, we will bring you both together in judgment.

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    2. All israeli citizens can vote to make a difference.

      Palestinians don't have much choice (only Fatah and Hamas are real powers), still they also elect their leadership.

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  65. SoA

    Name one, just one Islamic democracy.

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  66. Didn't Libya just become one with the help of CIA and Mossad under the guise of NATO? By the way, you didn't answer my question. A good jewish lawyer tactic. I see you admire Wolf Blitzer.

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    1. NATO merely helped give the Libyans the freedom to determine their own future. But we all know where that's headed to :D

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    2. By the way, you didn't answer my questions about allah killing mohamad and about condemning pedophilia. I see you too admire Wolf Blitzer.

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  67. SoA

    Name one democratically run Islamic nation. Libya was not a democratic Islamic nation pre-Ghaddafi and it sure ain't one now. If you really think it is you have a different take on what 'democratic' means.

    In a democracy people are allowed to follow the religion of their choice without fear of persecution. Do you say this is the case in Libya?

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    1. Core values of the nation are much more importand than it's political system or it's form of government.

      Having "democratic elections" only means unlimited mob rule, if most people reject basic liberal principles necessary for a civilized society.
      I think that western idolization of democracy is myopic and naive.

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  68. Since the demos of any Muslim society is diseased, any endowment of sociopolitical power (kratos, the Greek word for "power", whence we get the "-cracy" suffix for words like democracy and theocracy) to that people will be as diseased as the human material composing it.

    That's why the various tin-pot banana-republic dictatorships (some bigger bananas than others -- e.g., the Pahlavi dynasty of Iran, or Ataturk and the Kemalists of Turkey) which have been marginally and grudgingly amenable or pliable to pro-Western policies are, to quote Jack Nicholson in the movie by the same name, "as good as it gets" for any Islamic polity.

    Historically and right into our present, Islamic polities have fallen into 4 categories:

    Theocratic Monarchies(ipso facto fanatical and supremacist-expansionist, with their expansionism only checked by limitations of real life -- i.e., superior non-Muslims around them, or competing Muslim polities in the context of internecine violence which has been endemic to the disease of Islam from day one)

    Theocratic Fascism (e.g., the Taliban, Al-Shabaab of Somalia, Sudan, North Nigeria, certain periods of post-Colonial Algeria; and what may very well unfold in certain parts afflicted by the virus of the "Arab Spring")

    Tin-Pot Dictatorships (some have been marginally pro-Western (e.g., Egypt under Nasser and Mubarak; Indonesia under Sukarno and Suharto; Tunisia under Bourguiba and Ben Ali, Morocco under Mohammeds V and VI, Iran under the Shah, Turkey insofar as the Kemalists hold sway) while some have been rather anti-Western, such as Libya under Kaddafi, Pakistan, and Saddam's Iraq (even if, like Pakistan, they may pretend to be in accord with various Western requests and/or make veiled threats of not behaving, in order to get $$$$$); while some have been more or less monarchic (e.g., Iran under the Shah). And, as I noted above, some of these tin-pot dictatorships have been of brassier mettle than others (e.g., Iran under the Shah or Turkey under Ataturk) -- but all share the basic infirmity of the disease of Islam, which forever hinders any society from truly evolving and progressing on its own without the help to the tune of trillions of $$$ plus human ingenuity and expertise loaned out to them by Western Kuffar, such as for example we have seen with the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia over the past half century, essentially a profoundly retrograde and demonically barbarian country which would have collapsed into sheer tribalistic violence had it not been for the serendipitous geological accident of oil along with the willingness of Europeans and Americans to help them with the technology and managerial expertise necessary to extract, produce and export it).

    Did I say "4 categories"...? Oh yes, the fourth would be:

    Progressive Islamic Democracies that actually, astonishingly, jaw-droppingly respect Human Rights as defined by the United Nations Declaration of Human Rights -- i.e., as defined by rational human beings.

    Examples? (All I hear is the sound of crickets chirping, or camel spiders crepitating alacritously across the twilight sand, or muhajideen sharpening their blades in some dark hovel, or "Muslims who are ignorant of their own Islam" scraping out the last of their baba ganoush from their bowls...)

    Further Reading:

    Realislamik

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  69. Hesperado, I enjoyed your "Voegelinians and Islam."

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  70. Check out the Intellectual deciet, simply breathtaking.
    Arab spring is a "virus".
    Hosni was a puppet of whom?
    Ben ali was a puppet of whom?
    What about mental momar, who was he a puppet of?

    It's only now people are talking of human rights now that their puppets have been removed!
    Pre spring hosni was our man in Egypt, we do not like to talk about his abuses because they served our purpose! Who can forget the brotherly embrace of gaddafi and tony Blair! No talk of democracy or human rights that day. His abuses didn't count because he was our man in Libya.
    How many other puppets are we arming against the people so that they serve our purpose??
    Yemen, qatar, Jordan, UAE and let's not forget the kingdom. Those guys can do anything they want because they serve our purpose! The list goes on and on.
    The rainbow on the horizon is that the people have had enough and our puppets are being booted out!

    Next stop the kingdom!!!!

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    1. I never supported these so called puppets and NO ONE has claimed that they were upholders of human rights but they will seem like enlightened despots in comparison to the oppressive theocratic oligarchies that will replace them and attempt to spread terror and oppression and conquest as is commanded of them by their religion of hate and terror.

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  71. anj

    "Multiple bomb explosions targeted at security posts shook the city of Kano yesterday, leaving seven persons dead and several others injured.

    In the first incident, a suicide bomber forced his way into the Zone One Police headquarters in the city, killing himself and three police men while several others were injured.

    Zone 1 headquarters is in charge of Kano, Jigawa and Katsina police operations.

    Assistant Inspector General of Police in charge of the zone, AIG Mohammed Abubakar, was not in the office when the explosion occurred but the zonal spokesman of the police, DSP Aminu Ringim, confirmed that it was suicide bombing.

    Frightened residents of the city saw smoke billowing out of the police building, windows blown out and the roof collapsed while fire fighters were seen battling to douse the flames with water hoses.

    Most of the policemen who survived the attack were seen at the premises covered with dust from the rubbles, while the dismembered body of the suicide bomber was seen at the premises."

    http://www.thisdayonline.com/

    Whose puppets are the jihadists?

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  72. Liberated one you are not alone in thinking MO was potty. The Arabs in Mecca during his time thought so too.

    Mo recorded it for posterity in his book the Quran, revered as the unchanging word of God.

    15:6-7 - And they said, “O you upon whom the Quran has been sent, you are indeed insane.” “Why do you not bring angels to us, if you are truthful?”

    23:70 - " Or they say, “He is afflicted by a demon”; .."

    44:14 - "Whereas they had then turned away from him and said, “He is a madman, tutored!”?"

    (Tortured in his mind indeed)

    They also thought he was a liar, a forger and a plagiariser as recorded in the Quran

    16:24 - "And when it is said to them, 'What has your Lord sent down?' they say, 'Fairy-tales of the ancients.'

    True

    16:101- "And when We replace a verse in the place of another verse and God knows very well what He is sending down -- they say, 'Thou art a mere forger!' Nay, but the most of them have no knowledge."

    (But some of them did and they were pretty smart)

    21:5 - Nay, but they say: 'A hotchpotch of nightmares! Nay, he has forged it; nay, he is a poet! Now therefore let him bring us a sign, even as the ancient ones were sent as Messengers.'

    25:4-6 6:25; 8:31; 10:38; 11:13, 35; 16:24; 83; 27:68; 46:8-9, 17; 52:33; 68:15; 83:13 - "But the misbelievers say: "Naught is this but a lie which he has forged, and others have helped him at it." In truth it is they who have put forward an iniquity and a falsehood. And they say: "Tales of the ancients, which he has caused to be written: and they are dictated before him morning and evening." Say: "The (Qur'an) was sent down by Him who knows the mystery (that is) in the heavens and the earth: verily He is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful." "

    They mocked him out of Mecca.

    But he took terrible revenge and made sure that in his religion mocking him was made a capital punishment.

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